UPDATED! UPDATED! Christian Values Voters: Obama Hates America

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

     —Sabine Baring-Gould
 
UPDATE 9/20/2010: Rachel Maddow did a segment on the revival of the Culture War, featuring the Christian Right:
 
 
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This morning I heard on television a couple of talking heads tell us that the Tea Party movement is fueled by fear over the national debt and government spending and their angst had little to do with the social issues that perennially haunt our politics, like abortion rights and homosexual equality.
The consensus was that the teapartiers are so scared for our children’s and grandchildren’s economic future that the old divisive moral issues are just not that important to them.  

Well, I realize that’s a popular notion, and there is certainly some truth to the idea that many people are worried sick over Republican economic chickens roosting in Obama’s nest, but it overlooks one important fact: The so-called social conservatives—the self-described Values Voters—don’t see it that way at all. 

They see a definite link between what they perceive to be the Democrats’ socialistic tinkering with the economy and Democratic support of abortion rights and the “gay agenda” and other ungodly horrors. If you don’t believe me, just listen to Mitt Romney at the Family Research Council’s Values Voter Summit on Friday:  

…what is occurring in America today is different than simply a shift in seats. And it is not merely the result of disappointment or anger, though there may well be reason for both. 

What is being felt in America today is more profound than that, more solemn, more sober. Americans believe that Washington is threatening the very foundations of what has made America, America. Washington is assaulting America’s values. It is endeavoring to change what this nation has been, to change what it is, and to change what it is destined to become.

This room is filled every year by citizens—modern patriots—who are passionate about America’s values. These values include the sanctity of life and the preservation of marriage. But the Obama Administration has taken its assault to even more American values. The American people have finally seen Obama liberalism for what it is; they have seen the counterfeit values that underlie it, and they want none of it! 

Romney wasn’t the only one of the Christian Values Voter Summit speakers who connected the Tea Party movement with the vision of Christian moralists, who want American social values to mirror the values of fundamentalists and evangelicals, derived from Iron Age books and pre-Enlightenment theology.   

It’s just that Romney is supposed to be a serious candidate for the presidency in 2012, unlike the Michele Bachmans and Rick Santorums and Gary Bauers and other assorted guardians of God’s values, who believe they can use the Tea Party movement as a vehicle to achieve a quasi-theocratic state, a quasi-theocratic Christian state. 

That state would be one in which, in the name of “liberty” and in the name of God, women would be forced to bear children against their will—even children conceived through rape;  it would be a state in which, in the name of “freedom” and in complete allegiance to an ancient ignorance, gays and lesbians would be denied equal protection under the law and would be banished from the military, from serving their country, at a great cost to our national security.  

Whether a majority of Tea Party true-believers conceive of their movement this way doesn’t really matter.  Because the Romneys and Gingrichs and Huckabees are unquestionably using the Tea Party movement to further their own parochial political interests and are using it to force the agenda of the religious right down the throats of all Americans. 

And if Democrats and other like-minded folks don’t get to the polls this November, it won’t just be a mid-term shellacking of Democratic candidates we have to worry about.   

Christian Values Voters are marching toward us, dressed in the armor of God.

If you don’t think these people are a little unhinged; if you don’t believe that they hate a fellow Christian, Barack Obama, like the devil himself; if you don’t worry that they may get their righteous hands on the government throttle; I present below a short video clip and the accompanying transcript  featuring a speaker at the Values Voter Summit on Friday. 

Just keep in mind that the people before whom this man was speaking (and laughing) are the same people who invite you to church to worship Jesus and who claim that they represent a Loving Savior:   

We have an administration today—I may get arrows and bullets shot at me or something—but  the thing about that is we have a guy that hates America. I’m just going to say it, okay?  Until we get rid of Barry or Barack—I haven’t seen his little feet on that birth certificate, so I don’t know what he is, right?

Onward, Christian Soldiers! Marching as to war!

[Romney photo:Mark Wilson, Getty Images]
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29 Responses to “UPDATED! UPDATED! Christian Values Voters: Obama Hates America”

  1. ansonburlingame Says:

    duane,

    You raise a valid point or question, then answer it it seems as well. Here is my take on the issue of what drives Tea Parties (see my blog on First Principles):

    “Far too soon to tell if the Tea Parties are indeed a strong, vibrant and needed addition to American politics. I for one am not yet ready to join their ranks with signs and protest of all sorts. But I sure as hell am listening and like some of which I hear now, but not in the “early days” of that organization. For example I am not yet sure if Tea Baggers are fundamentally religious right and other zealots, now trying to mask their cause in a cloak of “dignity” or if Tea Parties have in fact moved rather quickly to the “mainstream” of American ideas for freedom. Time and caution will tell I suspect.”

    You have for whatever reason decided “they” are fundamentally “kooks”. I agree there is SOME basis for such a conclusion particularly after attending such events, seeing the signs and “interviewing” some of the less articualte at such events.

    But at least in rhetoric for some “leaders” of that movement I sense an attempt on their part to move away from such crazy ideas. Thus my own uncertainty what the future may hold for both the Republican Party and the Tea Party movement as well. It COULD cause a “spilt” and formation of a third party, much to the delight of Democrats.

    Look at the Globe article today over the platform in Montano over homosexual conduct. Surprised you haven’t blogged on that one yet. I am tempted to.

    For now I put Tea Parties at the same point on the political spectrum as the radical left on the other side. But I do sense some “movement” in the Tea Parties towards but not yet at the level of “mainstream”. I see for now NO attempt by the radical left to do so and they are attacking their own leader (you included) for not going “far enough” to the left.

    Sure sounds like a reverse Tea Party if you will in doing so.

    Anson

    • Duane Graham Says:

      Anson,

      You wrote,

      Thus my own uncertainty what the future may hold for both the Republican Party and the Tea Party movement as well. It COULD cause a “spilt” and formation of a third party, much to the delight of Democrats.

      “Delight” would not be an adequate description of my feelings were such a thing to happen.

      At one time, I hoped for a reformation of the Republican Party, but it was along the lines of increasing the voice of moderates in the party. Now that it is clear the extremists are taking over, I hope to live long enough to see the end of the GOP as a national party. After what it has done to the country, after what it has done to President Obama, I can’t think of a better confirmation that there is a God and that he is just.

      Duane

  2. hippieprof Says:

    This is one place I actually have some hope for the future: The younger generations are not growing up with the racism and homophobia found in my generation. They largely accept homosexuality, and they appreciate diversity. The so-called “values voters” will eventually age out of the voting population, replaced by younger people with more diverse values.

    At least, that is what I hope – because I don’t have much other political hope going these days….

    – hp

    • Duane Graham Says:

      Hp,

      I hope you are right. I, too, hope demographics will solve some of the problems our country has with issues like abortion and homosexuality, but we must admit that the meme-making ability of fundamentalist and evangelical Christianity is unrelenting. Home-schooling is just one example of how dedicated these folks are to ensuring their children inculcate Stone Age theology and the often unwarranted moral conclusions derived from such.

      I think we’re in agreement that ours is a mid- to long-term hope. The short-term looks like more gridlock or worse—more compromise on our side.

      Duane

  3. Daniel Edd BlandIII Says:

    I have been extremely disappointed that the self-professed leaders of Christ’s Church have been turning such a blind eye to the obvious evil lies surrounding September 11, 2001. I had been publicly loosing my faith via an “Open Letter to Dr. James Dobson” because the Christian Leaders seemed to be ignoring the call of Psalm 94:16-20. God works in mysterious ways because look what he sent to my FaceBook Wall the other day! Thank you Marisela, and most importantly, Thank God for speaking through Strong Christians like Marisela who are so well spoken and entrenched in the Word of God!!!

    Maybe God will convict you to forward this link to everyone of your contacts?

    http://blandyland.com/?p=635

    Daniel Edd Bland III

    • Duane Graham Says:

      Daniel,

      I’m afraid your faith that God is speaking through 9/11 Truthers like Marisela Gutierrez is, shall we say, misplaced. Among other things, she wrote about 9/11:

      The official story has, at this point, been challenged by thousands of highly credentialed technical experts and scholars, from engineers and medical doctors to firefighters and attorneys. Yet you will never hear this from mainstream media.

      Listen, Daniel. This stuff is false. I don’t care if it is propagated by left-wing Bush-haters or, now, by right-wing Christian Obama-haters. There aren’t “thousands” of technicians and scholars or other experts who challenge what happened on 9/11. There are only a few cranks and crackpots. You and Ms. Gutierrez are being duped by either deluded people who want to sell you books and make you believe or by greedy people who know better but want to sell you books and make you believe because it is a good living for them.

      Imagine this: If I told you that Jesus’ resurrection was faked by a conspiracy of true-believers, would you believe it? I could certainly point to inconsistencies in the Gospel accounts that would “prove” my allegation, and certainly the fact that no one had ever come back from the dead would also “prove” my contention. And I could get more than a few “experts” to prove beyond doubt that nobody comes back from the dead. But would you believe it?

      Duane

      • ansonburlingame Says:

        Duane,

        Thank you. 100% in agreement with the above.

        Anson

      • juan don Says:

        Duane,

        An uplifting gathering of “family values” conservatives. I found this link an interesting reply to Pastor Mike’s warm, Christian embrace: http://walkofthefallen.com/wordpress/2010/9/17/who-would-Jesus-deny-mike/

        juan

        • Duane Graham Says:

          Juan,

          Thanks for the link. On Friday, when I saw Huckabee’s comments, I was so upset I wanted to write a blog on the spot detesting him. But I was so upset I couldn’t do so. I am still too upset for rational comment.

          For those who haven’t seen them, here are part of the detestable Mike Huckabee’s comments from the Values Voter summit:

          “It sounds so good, and it’s such a warm message to say we’re not gonna deny anyone from a preexisting condition,” Huckabee explained at the Value Voters Summit today. “Look, I think that sounds terrific, but I want to ask you something from a common sense perspective. Suppose we applied that principle [to] our property insurance. And you can call your insurance agent and say, “I’d like to buy some insurance for my house.” He’d say, “Tell me about your house.” “Well sir, it burned down yesterday, but I’d like to insure it today.” And he’ll say “I’m sorry, but we can’t insure it after it’s already burned.” Well, no preexisting conditions.”

          Maybe someday I can write more about Christian hypocrisy and why, if someone approaches me toting a Bible and telling me about the love of Jesus, I will have something somewhat unpleasant to say to that person.

          Duane

  4. Busplunge Says:

    The rich man in his castle
    The poor man at the gate
    God made them high and lowly
    And ordered their estate

    Religion is what keeps the poor from killing the rich

    • Duane Graham Says:

      That’s the second time in the last week or so that Napoleon Bonaparte has made an appearance here. Methinks God is trying to tell me something.

      And the stanza you quoted from Cecil Frances Alexander
      I had never noticed before, in terms of how it expresses a meme that helps to serve the interests of the rich. Awesome!

      Duane

  5. Daniel Edd Bland III Says:

    Duane- I feel like God has moved into the Revelation period. Consider the following, it is supporters of the “official” evil lies regarding 9/11 who are the only conspiracy theorists among us. Most Anericans still believe the Pancake THEORY, even though the LAWS of Physics clearly demonstrate that the Pancake THEORY is scientifically impossible based on the most elementary LAWS of Physics. Are you believing God’s TRUTH, or Satans?

    I work in outside sales and we were taught to use the KISS model for success. KISS is an acronym which stands for Keep It Stupid Simple.

    To utilize the KISS method, please consider the following equation.

    1 1 = 2

    Duane- Do you believe the equation above to be……..

    A). The TRUTH
    B). Revealed Divine TRUTH
    C). Complete BS

  6. ansonburlingame Says:

    Daniel III,

    I pick C, above in terms of your ideas. Now I am sounding and writing like some of my detractors in these comments do. Sorry there is not enough space herein to expand.

    Anson

    • Daniel Edd BlandIII Says:

      Denying TRUTH in it’s most simplistic form? Wow!!! No wonder the country has fallen to such lows. Their is no neutral Anson. You are either part of the solution, or you are part of the problem. Right now, it’s apparent you are part of the problem. Please educate yourself and join us to solving the many real issues facing our future.

      Grace, Love, Peace, Truth, & Justice,

      Daniel Edd Bland III

  7. ansonburlingame Says:

    Duane,

    It seems you are now collecting some “truthers”, may even some “birthers” to you comment section. If you get tired of rebutting them send them my way.

    Anson

  8. Jim Wheeler Says:

    In truth I say to you all that the above and similar on-line conversations are revealing to me:

    1. Discussion of Religion is not rational and is always fettered by emotion.
    2. Discussion of politics is usually not rational and is almost always fettered by emotion.
    3. Discussion of politics can be rational if a civil discourse is honestly intended by all parties, and the discussion is grounded in referenced facts, such as economic data and treaties. Such is rare and becomes even more emotional and more rare as election day approaches.
    4. Based on how few people even attempt to join the few rational discussions of the last few months among Globe bloggers I surmise that most people prefer not to have their opinions disturbed by new facts or arguments.
    5. I am amazed that our system of government works at all and would probably give up if not for all the others, every one of which is worse.

    • Duane Graham Says:

      Jim,

      Discussion of religion can be rational on some level. Dan Dennett, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins have made attempts to use reason to discuss religion. So has retired physicist and now Christian apologist John Polkinghorne, whose writings I admire very much, although I largely disagree with him.

      A rational discussion of religion is, of course, not possible with someone whose faith prohibits them from accepting new evidence that contradicts that faith.

      Likewise, political discussions can be rational, even without being grounded in “referenced facts.” Philosophers have so discussed political theories since the beginning of philosophical thinking. Again, it’s just when a person’s ideological faith is not subject to change that discourse breaks down.

      I agree totally with your assertion about the paucity of people who want to enter a rational discussion about either politics or religion, whether it be between Globe bloggers or anyone else. But at least there are several commenters here that do so engage.

      Duane

  9. Jim Wheeler Says:

    Duane,

    A “discussion” IMO requires a minimum of two. Therefore, the writings of Harris, et. al., of which I am aware, are polemics and not discussions.

    But, thanks for the encouragement. I need it.

    Jim

  10. brucetheeconomist Says:

    Anson,

    I’m not a truther or birther, but I’d like to visit your blog. What’s the link?

    We don’t agree on somethings, but I find you more than worth a read in the comments.

    Signed,

    linkless in Oregon.

  11. “Maybe someday I can write more about Christian hypocrisy….” « Blandy Land Says:

    [...] idea for this post came from a comment posted by Mr. R. Duane Graham on his blog, The Erstwhile Conservative.  A Blog of Repentance.  After many months of confusion and praying for God to help [...]

  12. Daniel Edd BlandIII Says:

    This one’s for you Duane!!! Enjoy!!!

    [Editor's note: Rather than post the video that Daniel sent me, I've chosen a more appropriate one. This will not be a place where nutty conspiracy theories will have a life.]

  13. goodgrief Says:

    Mr. Bland, your name is rather unfortunate yet appropriate. Your obsessive posts here reveal more about you than anything you write. I’m assuming that since he replaced the first video you posted that Mr. Graham also has the ability to remove all of your comments. I imagine he has chosen not to because you really are serving to make his point, not just on this post, but several others as well.

    This really is a pathetic means of self-promotion for your own blog.

  14. brucetheeconomist Says:

    Thanks for the video Duane. Summarizes things well.

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