Delusional

Just a few minutes ago, I saw Steve Siebold on MSNBC.

Siebold is billed by HuffPo as “one of the world’s foremost experts in the field of critical thinking and mental toughness training.” He has also authored a book subtitled, “How Delusional Thinking is Destroying America.”  He was asked about what we should do to prevent future Sandy Hooks, and the “expert” on critical and delusional thinking said that part of the answer was, you guessed it, arming teachers.

When he was pressed on the matter, when he was asked what to do if a teacher didn’t want to go to work with a gun in tow, Siebold said that he would not want his kid in that teacher’s class. Obviously this critical thinking expert believes that a teacher’s primary classroom credential should be marksmanship not pedagogical prowess.

Siebold also indicated that college kids ought to go to school armed to protect themselves, and he didn’t seem to be sure whether 18-year-old high school kids should do the same.

Steve Siebold, by that one appearance on MSNBC, has truly demonstrated How Delusional Thinking is Destroying America.

18 Comments

  1. Robert J Roberts

     /  December 21, 2012

    Then I’m to deduce from Siebold’s comments that the solution for the gun problem is more guns? Sheer madness.

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    • You deduce correctly, Robert. Madness it is, and it is everywhere on the right. There are some glimmers of hope that many people, even including some right-wingers, have had enough of this kind of madness.

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  2. King Beauregard

     /  December 21, 2012

    HuffPo is a toilet. You heard it here first.

    – King Beauregard is one of the world’s foremost experts in grilled cheese sandwiches and spelling the word “Mxyzptlk” without having to look it up.

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    • I won’t go that far, King B, but I have often been troubled by the stance taken at times by HuffPo writers, particularly Huff herself.

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  3. Patricia Minute

     /  December 21, 2012

    Unless a teacher is wearing a gun, where will it be kept? Will it be loaded? Will that teacher even have time to access the gun should an invasion occur? What if the teacher fails to secure the gun and a child gets a hold of it? Teachers have enough to worry about without playing sheriff too.

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    • barb loehrer

       /  December 22, 2012

      Hey, Pat…good points! We need to remember that these attacks are not planned, and EVERYONE but the perp is caught off guard. The idea that teachers will systematically begin shooting someone who surprises them in the middle of the day, and will shoot effectively…that takes a lot for granted! BTW…where are the pro-life yard signs that dotted the yards in St. Louis before the election? Is this not a “pro-life” issue?

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      • King Beauregard

         /  December 22, 2012

        Beyond the element of surprise, just imagine how much multiple armed men and women complicate matters. Say you are a teacher at a school where teachers are at least encouraged to carry guns. One morning you see someone you don’t recognize with a gun … is he a teacher or an attacker? How confident are you that you know all the teachers in all the departments? Suppose he’s a substitute? Do you dare pull the trigger? Do you dare NOT pull the trigger?

        This scenario could happen on any given school day, without even a single actual gunman on the premises. Now imagine how complicated it gets if a gunman IS present. He won’t even be detected until it’s too late if he’s smart enough to dress like a teacher. But after he starts shooting, it becomes a situation where multiple adults believe their life depends on shooting first … that’s a VERY good way to encourage teachers to shoot one another.

        Now, imagine you’re a policeman responding to the incident. How on earth are you going to sort the chaos out?

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        • King Beauregard

           /  December 22, 2012

          Just to clarify, when I say “multiple armed men and women”, I don’t mean like Hindu deities.

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          • And I suppose you have something against Hindu deities?

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            • King Beauregard

               /  December 23, 2012

              Quite the opposite! Ganesha would throw a tusk at a gunman, Vishnu’s bowmanship would render a gun obsolete, and Shiva could just dance the problem away. Hindu deities keep cool under pressure, and additionally, they make for the best action figures. By way of comparison:

              The Virgin Mary action figure: Dress her in one of her two robes. Comb her beautiful hair. Contemplate the loving yet sad expression on her face.

              The Durga action figure: Eighteen motorized arms, each with a different weapon.

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        • Exactly right, King B. Add to all that the anxiety about not acting at all, should the thing really go down. Who wants to be the guy, or gal, who could have but didn’t take out the bad guy? The scenarios you present illustrate quite practically why this is an ugly idea, not to mention one that would change the character of our schools and our nation in the, last time I checked, twenty-first century.

          Duane

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      • You’ve made a great point, Barb, about the so-called “pro-life” issue. Where are these folks? Oh, I’ll tell you. Most of them are on the side of the gun nuts. That tells us a lot, no? They are really anti-choice, mostly religious, zealots, who, if they were consistent, would plant yard signs opposing the proliferation of guns in the culture and advocating for more effective ways to address mental health issues, like, say, supporting the Affordable Care Act.

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    • Patricia,

      Good points all. What has been proposed is utterly unworkable and morally offensive. The teaching profession is not highly valued by Republicans, who are slashing state education budgets everywhere, and adding the incredibly troubling burden of gunfighting to their job description is unbelievably stupid.

      Duane

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  4. What do you call it when somebody accuses others of doing what he himself is guilty of? Oh, yeah, Sieboldism. In any case, I think he should test that theory himself, and hang around a classroom with a gun waiting for somebody to come in shooting. At least it would keep him out of trouble. Best case scenario: He would be the first person shot.

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  5. I saw that segment, and my first thought was “expert?” He appeared to be a conservative shill. I have had considerable training in critical thinking in PhD classes, and I never heard anything that that idiot was saying.

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  6. I see that Mr. LaPierre’s “solution” is beginning to mature in the public discourse. It is only a matter of time, I submit, before someone, someone like Mr. Siebold perhaps, suggests the logical corollary to arming teachers, and that is requiring all staff and all students to wear Kevlar armor at all times.

    This might be a little uncomfortable at first but, hey, what are lives worth anyway? And, there would be some side benefits. Football players would have some additional protection on the field. Basketball players would be slowed down, but both teams would be equally hampered, so it would be a wash. And injuries from hazing of nerds would be greatly reduced. Yes, the whole concept is evolving. Bring it on, bad guys!

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    • Jim,

      You have finally found a solution to the problem we have with bullying in our schools. Congratulations!

      And to take your idea a little further, the teachers, newly armed with guns, could get the attention of their unruliest students by pulling out their Glocks and shooting the young rebels right in their Kevlar. What fun that would be! Nobody gets hurt too bad and the teacher gets in a little target practice in case a killer is on the loose.

      Yippee! Twenty-first century progress.

      Duane

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