So, Tr-mp is having a fight with the president of Mexico. Geeze, who could have predicted that? But for Tr-ump, it is a headline-grabber and a way to firm up his flabby manhood. He tweets out this morning that maybe Enrique Peña Nieto shouldn’t come to a meeting if Mexico doesn’t pay for a superfluous wall, blah, blah, blah. Journalists, out of breath, scramble around to tell us how momentous this might be. Then, as predictable as a Tr-mp tweet, Peña Nieto canceled his meeting.
Yeah, well, meanwhile the evidence continues to pile up indicating, without a doubt, that Agent Orange in the White’s House is, uh, nuts.
The transcript of David Muir’s interview with Tr-mp last night should be read by all Americans, at least those whose reading comprehension exceeds Tr-mp’s grade level. The entire thing should be read. Every single word. And it should be studied by all psychiatrists and psychologists and brain scientists around the world. It is something else. Watching the interview doesn’t do it justice, in terms of appreciating the sheer lunacy of Tr-mp. You have to read the words. You have to see with your reading eyes the way Tr-mp talks, his weird interjections of non sequiturs, his petty digressions, his ridiculous claims. Believe me, it’s different from watching it, which is bad and frightening enough. In any case, since this is the Internet, I will deal in length with what the interview revealed about our quasi-president because I want it as part of the record of this blog.
PART 1: The Anger Delusion
I will start with something most people have overlooked, in favor of the crazy stuff Tr-mp said about the voter fraud issue and torture and stealing oil and Obamacare and the “carnage” in Chicago and his disgraceful speech at CIA headquarters (I will get to a few of those things; this is, after all, only a three-part post and 5200 words is way more than most of you will read anyway). There was something Tr-mp said in that interview last night that was so dangerously stupid that all of us should be shaking in our slippers this morning. I’m not a presidential historian, but I would bet that what Tr-mp said has no competition in the history of stupid presidential utterances, particularly when we stop to remember that this is the nuclear age.
Muir ask him about signing “a sweeping executive action to suspend immigration to this country” and here’s how the conversation went:
DAVID MUIR: Who are we talking about? Is this the Muslim ban?
TR-MP: We’re talking about — no it’s not the Muslim ban. But it’s countries that have tremendous terror. It’s countries that we’re going to be spelling out in a little while in the same speech. And it’s countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. Our country has enough problems without allowing people to come in who, in many cases or in some cases, are looking to do tremendous destruction.
TR-MP: You look at what’s happening …
DAVID MUIR: Which countries are we talking about?
TR-MP: … you’ll be hearing about it in two hours because I have a whole list. You’ll be very thrilled. You’re looking at people that come in, in many cases, in some cases with evil intentions. I don’t want that. They’re ISIS. They’re coming under false pretense. I don’t want that.
I’m gonna be the president of a safe country. We have enough problems. Now I’ll absolutely do safe zones in Syria for the people. I think that Europe has made a tremendous mistake by allowing these millions of people to go into Germany and various other countries. And all you have to do is take a look. It’s — it’s a disaster what’s happening over there.
I don’t want that to happen here. Now with that being said, President Obama and Hillary Clinton have, and Kerry have allowed tens of thousands of people into our country. The FBI is now investigating more people than ever before having to do with terror. They — and it’s from the group of people that came in. So look, look, our country has a lot of problems. Believe me. I know what the problems are even better than you do. They’re deep problems, they’re serious problems. We don’t need more.
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you about some of the countries that won’t be on the list, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia. Why are we going to allow people to come into this country …
TR-MP: You’re going to see — you’re going to see. We’re going to have extreme vetting in all cases. And I mean extreme. And we’re not letting people in if we think there’s even a little chance of some problem.
DAVID MUIR: Are you at all …
TR-MP: We are excluding certain countries. But for other countries we’re gonna have extreme vetting. It’s going to be very hard to come in. Right now it’s very easy to come in. It’s gonna be very, very hard. I don’t want terror in this country. You look at what happened in San Bernardino. You look at what happened all over. You look at what happened in the World Trade Center. Okay, I mean, take that as an example.
So far, this is typical Trump talk. Goofy. Disjointed. Sophomoric. Dishonest. But here comes the dangerously stupid part:
DAVID MUIR: Are you at all …
DAVID MUIR: … concerned — are you at all concerned it’s going to cause more anger among Muslims …
DAVID MUIR: … the world?
TR-MP: There’s plenty of anger right now. How can you have more?
DAVID MUIR: You don’t think it’ll …
TR-MP: Look, David …
DAVID MUIR: … exacerbate the problem?
TR-MP: … David, I mean, I know you’re a sophisticated guy. The world is a mess. The world is as angry as it gets. What? You think this is gonna cause a little more anger? The world is an angry place. All of this has happened. We went into Iraq. We shouldn’t have gone into Iraq. We shouldn’t have gotten out the way we got out.
The world is a total mess. Take a look at what’s happening with Aleppo. Take a look what’s happening in Mosul. Take a look what’s going on in the Middle East. And people are fleeing and they’re going into Europe and all over the place. The world is a mess, David.
Please let this sink in. Tr-mp was asked a reasonable question related to how Muslims—who make up about 25% of the world’s population—might react to the assumption that “in many cases” the refugees seeking a home here, fleeing from ISIS and other Islamic extremists, “are looking to do tremendous destruction” in America. The question was,
Are you at all concerned it’s going to cause more anger among Muslims…in the world?
That’s a totally reasonable question because nearly all experts in the field of national security say that the worst thing the U.S. and our allies can do, in the fight against Islamic extremists, is to alienate Muslims at home and around the world by sending the message that this is a war between the West and Islam. And Tr-mp’s answer, which I will edit to its essence was this:
TR-MP: Anger? There’s plenty of anger right now. How can you have more?…The world is a mess. The world is as angry as it gets. What? You think this is gonna cause a little more anger? The world is an angry place.
I realize that for television journalists particularly, this isn’t as sexy as a fight between Mexico’s president and Tr-mp. But for the quasi-leader of what was once called the “free world” to say, “The world is as angry as it gets” and “How can you have more?” is about as insane a thing as I have ever heard anyone in power in this country utter. I’m sorry. The mind that produced that statement is in even worse shape than I thought.
The world is not as angry as it gets. You can have more anger. A lot more anger. And war along with it. And Tr-mp, with his juvenile understanding of the world, with mental processes that defy explanation and are resistant to reality, is just the guy who can produce more anger, trigger more wars. And we don’t have the “luxury” of just worrying about the reaction of Muslims, who are even now hearing the call of extremists to get into the fight against the infidels out to destroy them. We also have to worry about the Chinese, the Iranians, and the North Koreans—and who knows what the Russians are planning knowing they have a friend in the White’s House.
Add to all that this frightening fact: our allies in Europe and elsewhere have every reason to fear the quasi-President of the United States is out of his mind.
PART 2: Mindlessly Endorsing a War Crime
Right after the stupid “the world is as angry as it gets” remark, Muir ask Tr-mp about his previous claims that the U.S. should have stolen Iranian oil. Here’s how that conversation began:
DAVID MUIR: You brought up Iraq and something you said that could affect American troops in recent days. You said, “We should’ve kept the oil but okay maybe we’ll have another chance.” What did you mean by that?
TR-MP: Well, we should’ve kept the oil when we got out. And, you know, it’s very interesting, had we taken the oil, you wouldn’t have ISIS because they fuel themselves with the oil. That’s where they got the money. They got the money from leaving — when we left, we left Iraq, which wasn’t a government. It’s not a government now.
Notice the question was premised on how such a stupid and illegal act “could affect American troops.” Tr-mp said nothing about the danger to our troops. Not a damned word. He has no ability to understand that telling the Iraqis we should have stolen their oil—and still might—puts the thousands of troops we have deployed in Iraq in grave danger. His mind simply doesn’t process words and actions like a normal mind, not to mention like the mind of a normal commander-in-chief who would be worried about how his words and actions might subject the troops under his command to unnecessary harm or death.
But he wasn’t finished:
DAVID MUIR: So, you believe we can go in and take the oil?
TR-MP: We should have taken the oil. You wouldn’t have ISIS if we took the oil. Now I wasn’t talking about it from the standpoint of ISIS because the way we got out was horrible. We created a vacuum and ISIS formed. But had we taken the oil something else would’ve very good happened. They would not have been able to fuel their rather unbelievable drive to destroy large portions of the world.
DAVID MUIR: You’ve heard the critics who say that would break all international law, taking the oil. But I wanna get to the words …
DAVID MUIR: … that you …
TR-MP: Wait, wait, can you believe that? Who are the critics who say that? Fools.
DAVID MUIR: Let, let me …
TR-MP: I don’t call them critics. I call them fools.
This frightening exchange pretty much speaks for itself. People are “fools” who say the obvious, that stealing Iraqi oil—which isn’t even logistically plausible to begin with, not to mention the number of Americans who would die in the futile effort—that doing such an un-American thing, would be, as even Charles Krauthammer admitted, a war crime.
PART 3: The Fraud Delusion Gets Worse
Since my last post was an extensive look at Tr-mp’s election fraud claim and how it indicates just how littered with delusions is his mental landscape, I will simply here publish the entire exchange Muir had with him over the issue and leave it to you to evaluate. And, if you evaluate it like a normal human being, you will likely get a stiff drink, take a muscle relaxer, or otherwise do something that helps you cope with the fact that we will be lucky if this man doesn’t get us all killed before he’s done:
DAVID MUIR: I wanna ask you about something you said this week right here at the White House. You brought in congressional leaders to the White House. You spoke at length about the presidential election with them — telling them that you lost the popular vote because of millions of illegal votes, 3 to 5 million illegal votes. That would be the biggest electoral fraud in American history. Where is the evidence of that?
TR-MP: So, let me tell you first of all, it was so misrepresented. That was supposed to be a confidential meeting. And you weren’t supposed to go out and talk to the press as soon as you — but the Democrats viewed it not as a confidential meeting.
DAVID MUIR: But you have tweeted …
DAVID MUIR: … about the millions of illegals …
TR-MP: Sure. And I do — and I’m very …
TR-MP: … and I mean it. But just so you — it was supposed to be a confidential meeting. They turned it into not a con… Number two, the conversation lasted for about a minute. They made it — somebody said it was, like, 25 percent of the … It wasn’t. It was hardly even discussed.
I said it. And I said it strongly because what’s going on with voter fraud is horrible. That’s number one. Number two, I would’ve won the popular vote if I was campaigning for the popular vote. I would’ve gone to California where I didn’t go at all. I would’ve gone to New York where I didn’t campaign at all.
I would’ve gone to a couple of places that I didn’t go to. And I would’ve won that much easier than winning the electoral college. But as you know, the electoral college is all that matters. It doesn’t make any difference. So, I would’ve won very, very easily. But it’s a different form of winning. You would campaign much differently. You would have a totally different campaign. So, but …
TR-MP: … you’re just asking a question. I would’ve easily won the popular vote, much easier, in my opinion, than winning the electoral college. I ended up going to 19 different states. I went to the state of Maine four times for one. I needed one.
I went to M– I got it, by the way. But it turned out I didn’t need it because we ended up winning by a massive amount, 306. I needed 270. We got 306. You and everybody said, “There’s no way you get to 270.” I mean, your network said and almost everybody said, “There’s no way you can get to …” So, I went to Maine four times. I went to various places. And that’s the beauty of the electoral college. With that being said, if you look at voter registration, you look at the dead people that are registered to vote who vote, you look at people that are registered in two states, you look at all of these different things that are happening with registration. You take a look at those registration for — you’re gonna s– find — and we’re gonna do an investigation on it.
DAVID MUIR: But 3 to 5 million illegal votes?
TR-MP: Well, we’re gonna find out. But it could very well be that much. Absolutely.
DAVID MUIR: But …
TR-MP: But we’re gonna find out.
TR-MP: In fact, I heard one of the other side, they were saying it’s not 3 to 5. It’s not 3 to 5. I said, “Well, Mr. Trump is talking about registration, tell–” He said, “You know we don’t wanna talk about registration.” They don’t wanna talk about registration.
You have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. You have people registered in two states. They’re registered in a New York and a New Jersey. They vote twice. There are millions of votes, in my opinion. Now …
DAVID MUIR: But again …
TR-MP: I’m doing an …
TR-MP: … investigation. David, David, David …
DAVID MUIR: You’re now, you’re now president of the United States when you say …
TR-MP: Of course, and I want the voting process to be legitimate.
DAVID MUIR: But what I’m asking …
TR-MP: The people that …
DAVID MUIR: … what I’m asking that — when you say in your opinion millions of illegal votes, that is something that is extremely fundamental to our functioning democracy, a fair and free election.
TR-MP: Sure. Sure. Sure.
DAVID MUIR: You say you’re gonna launch an investigation.
TR-MP: Sure, done.
DAVID MUIR: What you have presented so far has been debunked. It’s been called …
DAVID MUIR: … false.
TR-MP: No, it hasn’t. Take a look at the Pew reports.
DAVID MUIR: I called the author of the Pew report last night. And he told me that they found no evidence of voter …
DAVID MUIR: … fraud.
TR-MP: Really? Then why did he write the report?
DAVID MUIR: He said no evidence of voter fraud.
TR-MP: Excuse me, then why did he write the report?
TR-MP: According to Pew report, then he’s — then he’s groveling again. You know, I always talk about the reporters that grovel when they wanna write something that you wanna hear but not necessarily millions of people wanna hear or have to hear.
DAVID MUIR: So, you’ve launched an investigation?
TR-MP: We’re gonna launch an investigation to find out. And then the next time — and I will say this, of those votes cast, none of ’em come to me. None of ’em come to me. They would all be for the other side. None of ’em come to me. But when you look at the people that are registered: dead, illegal and two states and some cases maybe three states — we have a lot to look into.
DAVID MUIR: House Speaker Paul Ryan has said, “I have seen no evidence. I have made this very, very clear.” Senator Lindsey Graham saying, “It’s the most inappropriate thing for a president to say without proof. He seems obsessed with the idea that he could not have possibly lost the popular vote without cheating and fraud.” I wanna ask you about something bigger here. Does it matter more now …
TR-MP: There’s nothing bigger. There’s nothing bigger.
DAVID MUIR: But it is important because …
TR-MP: Let me just tell you, you know what’s important, millions of people agree with me when I say that if you would’ve looked on one of the other networks and all of the people that were calling in they’re saying, “We agree with Mr. Trump. We agree.” They’re very smart people.
The people that voted for me — lots of people are saying they saw things happen. I heard stories also. But you’re not talking about millions. But it’s a small little segment. I will tell you, it’s a good thing that we’re doing because at the end we’re gonna have an idea as to what’s going on. Now, you’re telling me Pew report has all of a sudden changed. But you have other reports and you have other statements. You take a look at the registrations, how many dead people are there? Take a look at the registrations as to the other things that I already presented.
DAVID MUIR: And you’re saying …
TR-MP: And you’re gonna find …
DAVID MUIR: … those people who are on the rolls voted, that there are millions of illegal votes?
TR-MP: I didn’t say there are millions. But I think there could very well be millions of people. That’s right.
DAVID MUIR: You tweeted though …
TR-MP: And I also say this …
DAVID MUIR: … you tweeted, “If you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally, I won the popular vote.”
TR-MP: David, and I also say this, if I was going for the popular vote I would’ve won easily. But I would’ve been in California and New York. I wouldn’t have been in Maine. I wouldn’t have been in Iowa. I wouldn’t have been in Nebraska and all of those states that I had to win in order to win this. I would’ve been in New York, I would’ve been in California. I never even went there.
DAVID MUIR: Let me just ask you, you did win. You’re the president. You’re sitting …
TR-MP: That’s true.
DAVID MUIR: … across from me right now.
TR-MP: That’s true.
DAVID MUIR: Do you think that your words matter more now?
TR-MP: Yes, very much.
DAVID MUIR: Do you think that that talking about millions of illegal votes is dangerous to this country without presenting the evidence?
TR-MP: No, not at all.
TR-MP: Not at all because many people feel the same way that I do. And …
DAVID MUIR: You don’t think it undermines your credibility if there’s no evidence?
TR-MP: No, not at all because they didn’t come to me. Believe me. Those were Hillary votes. And if you look at it they all voted for Hillary. They all voted for Hillary. They didn’t vote for me. I don’t believe I got one. Okay, these are people that voted for Hillary Clinton. And if they didn’t vote, it would’ve been different in the popular.
Now, you have to understand I — I focused on those four or five states that I had to win. Maybe she didn’t. She should’ve gone to Michigan. She thought she had it in the bag. She should’ve gone to Wisconsin, she thought she had it because you’re talking about 38 years of, you know, Democrat wins. But they didn’t. I went to Michigan, I went to Wisconsin. I went to Pennsylvania all the time. I went to all of the states that are — Florida and North Carolina. That’s all I focused on.
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, it does strike me though that we’re relitigating the presidential campaign, the election …
TR-MP: No, no. We’re looking at it for the next time. No, no, you have to understand, I had a tremendous victory, one of the great victories ever. In terms of counties I think the most ever or just about the most ever. When you look at a map it’s all red. Red meaning us, Republicans.
One of the greatest victories ever. But, again, I ran for the electoral college. I didn’t run for the popular vote. What I’m saying is if there are these problems that many people agree with me that there might be. Look, Barack Obama — if you look back — eight years ago when he first ran — he was running for office in Chicago for we needed Chicago vote.
And he was laughing at the system because he knew all of those votes were going to him. You look at Philadelphia, you look at what’s going on in Philadelphia. But take a look at the tape of Barack Obama who wrote me, by the way, a very beautiful letter in the drawer of the desk. Very beautiful. And I appreciate it. But look at what he said, it’s on tape. Look at what he said about voting in Chicago eight years ago. It’s not changed. It hasn’t changed, believe me. Chicago, look what’s going on in Chicago. It’s only gotten worse.
But he was smiling and laughing about the vote in Chicago. Now, once he became president he didn’t do that. All of a sudden it became this is the foundation of our country. So, here’s the point, you have a lot of stuff going on possibly. I say probably. But possibly. We’re gonna get to the bottom of it.
And then we’re gonna make sure it doesn’t happen again. If people are registered wrongly, if illegals are registered to vote, which they are, if dead people are registered to vote and voting, which they do. There are some. I don’t know how many. We’re gonna try finding that out and the other categories that we talk about, double states where they’re — registered in two states, we’re gonna get to the bottom of it because we have to stop it. Because I agree, so important. But the other side is trying to downplay this. Now, I’ll say this — I think that if that didn’t happen, first of all, would — would be a great thing if it didn’t happen. But I believe it did happen. And I believe a part of the vote would’ve been much different.
DAVID MUIR: And you believe millions of illegal votes …
TR-MP: Well, we’re gonna find out.
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you this …
TR-MP: We’re gonna find out. And — and, by the way, when I say you’re gonna find out. You can never really find, you know, there are gonna be — no matter what numbers we come up with there are gonna be lots of people that did things that we’re not going to find out about. But we will find out because we need a better system where that can’t happen.
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I just have one more question on this. And it’s — it’s bigger picture. You took some heat after your visit to the CIA in front of that hallowed wall, 117 stars — of those lost at the CIA. You talked about other things. But you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on Time magazine. And I just wanna ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? When do you let it roll off your back now that you’re the president?
TR-MP: OK, so I’m glad you asked. So, I went to the CIA, my first step. I have great respect for the people in intelligence and CIA. I’m — I don’t have a lot of respect for, in particular one of the leaders. But that’s okay. But I have a lot of respect for the people in the CIA.
That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at Fox, OK, I’ll mention you — we see what Fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. They showed the people applauding and screaming and — and they were all CIA. There was — somebody was asking Sean — “Well, were they Trump people that were put–” we don’t have Trump people. They were CIA people.
That location was given to me. Mike Pence went up before me, paid great homage to the wall. I then went up, paid great homage to the wall. I then spoke to the crowd. I got a standing ovation. In fact, they said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl and they said it was equal. I got a standing ovation. It lasted for a long period of time. What you do is take — take out your tape — you probably ran it live. I know when I do good speeches. I know when I do bad speeches. That speech was a total home run. They loved it. I could’ve …
TR-MP: … gotten …
DAVID MUIR: You would give the same speech if you went back …
DAVID MUIR: … in front of that wall?
TR-MP: People loved it. They loved it. They gave me a standing ovation for a long period of time. They never even sat down, most of them, during the speech. There was love in the room. You and other networks covered it very inaccurately. I hate to say this to you and you probably won’t put it on but turn on Fox and see how it was covered. And see how people respond to that speech.
That speech was a good speech. And you and a couple of other networks tried to downplay that speech. And it was very, very unfortunate that you did. The people of the CIA loved the speech. If I was going to take a vote in that room, there were, like, 300, 350 people, over 1,000 wanted to be there but they couldn’t. They were all CIA people. I would say I would’ve gotten 350 to nothing in that room. That’s what the vote would’ve been. That speech was a big hit, a big success — success. And then I came back and I watched you on television and a couple of others.
DAVID MUIR: Not me personally.
TR-MP: And they tried to demean. Excuse me?
DAVID MUIR: Not me personally.
TR-MP: Not you personally but your network — and they tried to demean the speech. And I know when things are good or bad. A poll just came out on my inauguration speech which was extraordinary that people loved it. Loved and liked. And it was an extraordinary poll.
DAVID MUIR: I guess that’s what I’m getting at. You talked about the poll, the people loving your inaugural speech and the size of your …
TR-MP: No, because you bring it up.
DAVID MUIR: I’m asking, well, on day one you …
TR-MP: Well, you just brought it up. I didn’t bring it up. I didn’t wanna — talk about the inauguration speech. But I think I did a very good job and people really liked it. You saw the poll. Just came out this morning. You bring it up. I didn’t bring it up.
DAVID MUIR: So, polls and crowd size and covers on Time, those still matter now that you’re here as president.
TR-MP: Well, you keep bringing it up. I had a massive amount of people here. They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering — from certain angles — that were taken early and lots of other things. I’ll show you a picture later if you’d like of a massive crowd.
In terms of a total audience including television and everything else that you have we had supposedly the biggest crowd in history. The audience watching the show. And I think you would even agree to that. They say I had the biggest crowd in the history of inaugural speeches. I’m honored by that. But I didn’t bring it up. You just brought it up.
DAVID MUIR: See, I — I’m not interested in the inaugural crowd size. I think the American people can look at images side by side and decide for themselves. I am curious about the first full day here at the White House, choosing to send the press secretary out into the briefing room, summoning reporters to talk about the inaugural crowd size. Does that send a message to the American people that that’s — that’s more important than some of the very pressing issues?
TR-MP: Part of my whole victory was that the men and women of this country who have been forgotten will never be forgotten again. Part of that is when they try and demean me unfairly ’cause we had a massive crowd of people. We had a crowd — I looked over that sea of people and I said to myself, “Wow.”
And I’ve seen crowds before. Big, big crowds. That was some crowd. When I looked at the numbers that happened to come in from all of the various sources, we had the biggest audience in the history of inaugural speeches. I said the men and women that I was talking to who came out and voted will never be forgotten again. Therefore I won’t allow you or other people like you to demean that crowd and to demean the people that came to Washington, D.C., from faraway places because they like me. But more importantly they like what I’m saying.
DAVID MUIR: I just wanna say I didn’t demean anyone who was in that crowd. We did coverage for hours …
TR-MP: No, I think you’re demeaning by talking the way you’re talking. I think you’re demeaning. And that’s why I think a lot of people turned on you and turned on a lot of other people. And that’s why you have a 17 percent approval rating, which is pretty bad.
The only thing left to say is this: Because of the fear Republicans have that upsetting Trump may push him into greater and more dangerous bouts of hysteria, Paul Ryan, who knows this whole claim is beyond delusional, nevertheless said, when asked about Tr-mp’s call for an investigation into the delusion, “I think it’s fine.”