How Evangelicals Are Using Trump, How Trump Is Using Evangelicals, And How God Is Using Them Both To Kill Us All

[Note: This lengthy essay will likely be my last for a while, since I traditionally take a few weeks off this time of year. But I offer you something to chew on this Xmas season, something you desperately need to understand about a very strange contingent of this country, a contingent I was once a part of.]

“For many conservative evangelicals, Jerusalem is not about politics. It is not about peace plans or Palestinians or two-state solutions. It is about prophecy. About the Bible. And, most certainly, it is about the end-times.”

Dr. Diana Butler Bass, scholar specializing in American religion and culture

The presidential election of 2012 was held on November 6. Appearing once again that week on The New York Times Bestseller list for Paperback Trade Fiction—in the number one spot—was the book Fifty Shades of Grey. That book had been on the list for 32 weeks. The number two spot that election week was Fifty Shades Darker and number three was Fifty Shades Freed, completing the erotic trilogy about consensual BDSM written by E. L. James.

Obviously, some pious folks on the right considered the popular Fifty Shades trilogy, affectionately known as “Mommy Porn,” a sign of the decadent times, even if some of the decadent readers were ostensibly followers of the decadence-hating Lord:

Tragically, the fact that professing Christians are tearing these books off the shelves comes as no surprise to those watching the spiritual climate of the so-called “church” today. There has been a sad display of sexual atheism that has been plaguing the church for a long time.

nyt bestseller listChristians weren’t just “tearing” libidinous BDSM books off the shelves, however. That same New York Times bestseller list posted a few days before the 2012 presidential election featured a book in the number eight spot called The Harbinger. That book—which had been on the bestseller list at that point for 42 weeks—was written by a Jewish rabbi who, unlike most Jewish rabbis, was a Christian. His name is Jonathan Cahn.

And besides being a Jew who believes Jesus is his savior, Cahn is a strange cat.

The full title of Cahn’s book does not pull any punches: The Harbinger: The Ancient Mystery that Holds the Secret of America’s Future. I won’t go into the spooky details, but suffice it to say that Cahn believes that just as God allegedly judged and destroyed ancient Israel for its collective sins, so too will he judge and destroy the United States, if we don’t get our shit together. Cahn believes the 9/11 attacks and the Great Recession were part of God’s warning to us to straighten up or else:

Before God judges a nation, He sends warning. But America, like Israel, has not responded with repentance, but with defiance.

Part of our national defiance was that election of 2012. The voters defiantly and devilishly elected Barack Obama president for a second term. And according to Cahn, they otta notta done that. God was not pleased because Obama supported a woman’s right to choose, a right that some see as a usurpation of God’s authority to wantonly terminate pregnancies himself. And God was not pleased either, according to Cahn, when the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage in 2015 and Obama celebrated by lighting up the White’s House in a rainbow of colors. Cahn said:

Mr. President, by what authority did you take the sacred colors of God’s covenant, the colors of His throne, and the sign of His mercy in the face of judgment and turn them against the purposes of God and the Word of God on which you swore your oath?

Cahn wasn’t finished:

The city on the hill has grown darkened. It has forgotten the God of its foundation. The temples of its culture have been expunged of His presence and are now filled with idols in His place. It’s forgotten the warning that was embedded in the vision of the city on the hill. For it was also written and prophesied, “If our hearts shall turn away so we will not obey, but shall be seduced and worship other gods, our pleasures and our profits, and serve them, we shall surely perish.” In other words, we will stand at the precipice of judgment.

Now, you might think that only fringy people like Pat Robertson, Ray Comfort, Glenn Beck, and the folks at World Nut Daily buy into this embarrassing nonsense. Nope. Cahn said back in 2013:

The Harbinger is reaching Capitol Hill and we have gotten word that about fifteen Senators and members of Congress are reading The Harbinger, they are reading the book.

Jesus. Allah. Buddha. Say it ain’t so.

In any case, fast forward to today. Cahn has written another book. This one is called The Paradigm: The Ancient Blueprint That Holds the Mystery of Our Times. Yep. This book piggybacks on the last one, but with more details about who is who. The Amazon summary of the book includes this:

Prepare to be stunned, shocked, illuminated, and amazed. The Paradigm will reveal secrets and mysteries taking place all around you and show you what you never could have imagined.

Yes, you never could have imagined, for instance, that Bill and Hillary Clinton are actually in the Bible. But there they are, albeit in disguise. And so is Barack Obama. And, you might have guessed, so is Donald Tr-mp.

I shit you not.

Bill Clinton is King Ahab, the seventh monarch of Israel, who was, you might suspect, a bad hombre. Ahab brought wicked idolatry to the Israelites through the agency of his nasty little wife, Jezebel. Of course! Hillary is, Kahn says, our very own Jezebel, who may not have plotted to give pagan gods like Baal official status in God’s holy land, but did turn America into a New Age paradise, complete with seances that, of course, didn’t really happen. Again, I shit you not.

isaiah and obama 2Next up is Barack Obama. His biblical role is Joram, the son of, uh, King Ahab and Jezebel (you figure that out). Joram also became King of Israel. According to Kahn, Joram had “a continuous hostility to God,” you know, just like Obama!

Okay. We’re just now getting to the good part. Enter the “warrior.” Or, the WARRIOR! That would obviously be none other than Mr. Two Corinthians himself, Donald J. Tr-mp, playing the part of Jehu, yet another king of Israel. Kahn describes the man God raised up:

He’s a warrior. He’s not even a politician…He’s a warrior. He’s a fighter. He fights with everybody…He’s zealous. He is not gentle at all. He is coarse. He’s a fighter. He’s fighting everybody and he begins this race to the throne…and the Bible describes the race to the throne as, the word is “crazy.” They said he was crazy. He drives crazy. The man drives furiously. It’s crazy. But he gets to the throne. Even though it’s a crazy race, he gets to the throne…The zeal is a crazy zeal, but he’s used by God, and he’s the most unlikely person.

Now, at this point Kahn gets to the denouement. He says Jehu the Tr-mper has “a showdown against the former queen,” Jezebel:

So, you have the former queen, and you have Hillary Clinton. You have the warrior, you have Donald Tr-mp.

Well, what did Tr-mp do to Hillary Clinton? Naturally, Kahn says, against the odds and the pollsters, he beat her in the last election:

So, he wins. He now heads to the capitol city. Jehu heads to the capitol city. Now, why does he head to the capitol city? To drain the swamp.

Once more, I shit you not. Kahn doesn’t tell us whether Jehu hired a bunch of Goldman Sachs swampers to drain the biblical swamp, but that’s an aside to this theological farce.

Perhaps now would be a good time to explain what the Bible says actually (allegedly actually) happened at the hands of Jehu. First, Jehu killed Obama, I mean Joram. Then he turned to Jezebel, I mean Hillary. Wikipedia has a nice summary of her gruesome fate at the hands of the Old Testament Tr-mp:

Knowing that he was coming, Jezebel put on make-up and a formal wig with adornments and looked out a window…Jehu ordered Jezebel’s servants to throw her from the window. Her blood splashed on the wall and horses, and Jehu’s horse trampled her corpse. He entered the palace where, after he ate and drank, he ordered Jezebel’s body to be taken for burial. His servants discovered only her skull, her feet, and the palms of her hands—her flesh had been eaten by stray dogs, just as the prophet Elijah had prophesied.

Compared to that fate, Hillary’s defeat last year doesn’t seem so bad now does it? The threats to “lock her up” seem preferable to being defenestrated, trampled in the street, and turned into Purina Dog Chow at the urging of a prophet of a very pissed off God. I wonder why I didn’t learn that story in Sunday School? Political correctness?

Weirdly, all of that drama takes us to Jerusalem and Tr-mp’s decision to, eventually, put our embassy there and, possibly, bring on the Last Days, the End Times, or maybe, the final installment of The Hunger Games.

TImage result for jerusalemhe ancient history of Jerusalem is as murky as it could be. No need to go deep into the complex of competing claims and the bloody history of the place. True-believing Jews believe King David conquered the city 3000 years ago and made it theirs. Bible-thumping Christians believe Jesus was buried there, until he wasn’t. Virgin-loving Muslims believe Muhammad was beamed up to, well, the Land of Virgins. The bottom line is this: the decision to move the embassy was designed to appease people like Jonathan Cahn and other wild-eyed evangelicals (and some equally wild-eyed Orthodox Jews) who believe Tr-mp is anointed by God to be his divine instrument, apparently a fitful fiddler fiddling with the fate of all of us. Speaking with once disgraced and still disgraceful televangelist Jim Bakker, Cahn said:

Jerusalem is the center of biblical prophecy, everything is centering on it, that’s the end game, that’s the final goal—Jerusalem.

Why? Because unless the “Jews return to Israel…and rebuild the third Temple of Solomon on the hilltop the Jews call the Temple Mount and Muslims call the Noble Sanctuary,” Jesus ain’t coming back anytime soon and there won’t be any End Times in which countless numbers of folks will be slaughtered. Thus, in order to hasten his return and start the carnage, shit has to start happening. And what better way to make shit happen than bringing in a shit storm named Tr-mp?

Jesus is supposed to “return to Jerusalem to rule the world from his throne on the Temple Mount,” says Pastor Mike Bickle, once associated with former Texas governor Rick Oops Perry, who is now Secretary of the Department of an Agency to be Remembered Later. I personally could think of better digs than the Temple Mount from which to rule the world, like a white sand beach in the tropics, but then I didn’t write the Bible.

In any case, the indispensable Right Wing Watch informs us:

Over the past decade in particular, Religious Right political gatherings frequently included Israeli flags, the blowing of shofars, and harsh denunciations of the Obama administration for supposedly having betrayed Israel. Religious Right leaders and allied politicians who have warned that God would send natural disasters and otherwise punish the U.S. for insufficiently supporting Israel or pressuring it to give up land in a peace deal include Liberty Counsel’s Mat Staver, “historian” and political operative David Barton and Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert.

During the presidential campaign, some of Trump’s boosters declared that he was anointed by God, like the biblical Persian King Cyrus, who had freed Jews in his kingdom to return to Jerusalem. Likud Knesset member Yehuda Glick, who came to D.C. for Trump’s inauguration, which he called a “miracle,” said that if Trump moved the embassy, he would be “the latter-day Cyrus!” At a POTUS Shield gathering in March, a speaker suggested that if Trump fully embraced Israel, he could be famous for thousands of years just like Cyrus. And this week, after the policy change, Christian Zionist leader John Hagee returned to that theme, saying that Trump “will be remembered for thousands of years.”

Ah, Pastor John Hagee. When you see or hear his name, you know more crezzy shit is coming, like telling Tr-mp that people will remember him thousands of years from now. Personally, I wouldn’t want to live in a distant time and place where the folks had nothing better to do than remember a man whose pubescent intellect pokes through the cable glory hole every morning and is masturbated by the IQ assassins on Fox & Friends. But that’s just me.

Just yesterday Hagee, a big-time televangelist with a big-ass church in San Antonio, was on CBN News bragging a little bit:

What President Trump is doing is one of the most courageous political things that’s been done in Washington in a long time…President Trump, when I spoke to him in the White House about this several weeks ago, he said this very emphatically. He said, ‘Other presidents have failed you, but I will not disappoint the Christian community in this issue. I will stand with Israel, and we will at some point in time, move the embassy.”

Now that we know Hagee has Tr-mp’s itching ear, it’s time to get really technical and talk about the Jubilee, found in the OT. Hagee said he told Tr-mp,

that God measures everything in modules of 50 years. And I said this is a principle that’s carried out in Leviticus, the 25th chapter. I said, “If you look at 1917, it was a Jubilee Year, and the Balfour Amendment came, and then in 50 years, it was 1967, and Jerusalem was reconnected to Israel, And you add 50 to 1967, and you’re in 2017.” I said, “This is the year to move the embassy and make that declaration because it is a biblical timing of absolute precision.” Thank God, he’s going to do exactly that.

So, at the word of a grifting televangelist who is using a Bronze Age book as his guide, Tr-mp decides to make God’s train to Annihilation Station run on time. Ok. But all this complicated and self-serving ciphering has made me dizzy. But I’m not as dizzy as Pat Robertson’s son, Gordon, who said:

I believe at this point in time, Israel is God’s stopwatch for everything that happens to every nation, including America, from now until the Rapture of the Church and beyond.

Rapture? Did someone say rapture? Yippee! It’s about time we got to some madness made in America! The rapture is distinctively a home turf invention, an interpretation of scripture arising in the early third of the 19th century, with a man named John Nelson Darby doing the heavy lifting. According to End Time Ministries, the rapture is a magical escape plan:

Image result for raptureAt the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, all born again Christians will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). At the sound of the “last trumpet,” the dead who were born again during their lifetime will be resurrected from the dead. At the same time, those who are born again and still alive on earth will be transformed instantly, from mortal beings to immortal beings. Romans 8:11 tells us that our mortal bodies will be made alive if we have God’s spirit living in us.

These flying Christians will, no doubt, cause quite a traffic jam, both up there and down here. But the rapture theory, the version of it that sees Christians rescued before all the bloody fun starts, is an important part of the whole nightmare. It allows many evangelicals to talk tough about the future, believing they will be hanging out at the Cloud Nine Sports Bar when the Last Game, the Super Bowl of Wrath, comes on.

One popular evangelical site says of that awful day:

The Final Holocaust is so terrifying, so deadly, so inescapable that God personally steps in to stop it lest not one human be left alive!

Ah! What a merciful monster! Praise be to him for that compassionate gesture!

The author goes on with his rapturous description:

In the Great Tribulation 2 ½ million die every day for 42 months. In Auschwitz less than a thousand died each day. That means 2500x as many people die every day. Or to put it in Auschwitz terms—the number of people that died every day at Auschwitz will die every 30 seconds in the Great Tribulation! Or in other terms living on earth will be like living in an Auschwitz death camp—and in death toll there will be the equivalent of an Auschwitz Holocaust twice a day for 42 months!

Oh, but that’s only halftime! There’s more:

One out of every two people will die during the Tribulation (see Rev. 6:8 and onward), some through the ravages of war, others by starvation, and amazingly many others by the ‘beasts of the earth’. So, whether by death that comes instantly and thus less dreaded or a slow and painful death that is lingering and agonizing-50 percent of all people will die. The world’s population was 6,415,574,176 yesterday, so that means at least 3,207,500,000 will die.

PictureAll of our trees, “everything green will be destroyed,” these strange Christians say. The sun and moon will grow dark, “as  nature goes into revolt.” Hell will let loose “hordes of locusts, the size of horses,” which “will be allowed to sting men like scorpions.” These “men will beg God to let them die but they will not die,” says the defender of the all-merciful Almighty.

One must keep in mind that these weird true-believers are actually looking for ways to speed up this scenario. Sometimes they get a little giddy contemplating the possibilities. The Christian Broadcasting Network’s Sr. International Correspondent, Gary Lane, called Tr-mp’s decision a “bold step” and “very historic.” Then he told us of its biblical implications:

Related imageFor prophecy, many Christians believe that those steps will lead to a highway from Egypt through Syria, from Cairo to Demascus and through Jordan and Israel. It would be almost like a triangle there. The other significant thing is it may be setting the stage for the biblical battle of Gog and Magog—not the End Times as far as Armageddon is concerned, but the first steps before Armageddon….Very historic times and I think we’re going to see the best is yet to come.

Yikes. Tone it down, big fella. Your inner Tr-mp is showing.

All of this you can escape, presumably, if you’ll just send a seed-faith gift (start with $100; don’t try to cheap your way into heaven!) to the first telepreacher you see (or if you can’t find one, send the dough to me; I’ll make sure the Lord gets it). Oh, and don’t forget to vote for Roy Moore on Tuesday! The WARRIOR Donald Jehu Tr-mp needs him for his swamp-cleaning agenda in D.C.!

Needless to say, this is all nuts. But the gullible don’t think so. And the gullible vote. That is why we had the election of Tr-mp and why we are on the eve of possibly sending a theocrat in Alabama, with a penchant for pedophilia, to Washington D.C. The same people who believe in Bible prophecy, who believe when the time is right that an angry and vengeful God will send horse-size locusts to sting us, kill millions upon millions of us, make rivers overflow with our blood—just after he teleports born-again Christians into bliss—these same folks, at least many of them, believe that all of Tr-mp’s and Moore’s female accusers are lying, as part of a plot to thwart God’s redemptive plan. Whew.

Image result for evangelical vote 2016While it is true that an overwhelming number of evangelicals—we’re talking about mostly white folks here—voted for Tr-mp, most of them didn’t do so because they expected Tr-mp to move our embassy to Jerusalem and hasten The End. There were many different reasons for their vote. But cultural grievances and fear—fear of dying, fear of God’s wrath, fear of facing hell—is always mixed in the electoral soup. The preachers who bank (literally) on these grievances and fear are out in full force these days. Their black-and-white sermons and public pronouncements; their insistence that Christian America is under an unholy threat, both from within and without; their framing politics as a good-versus-evil zero-sum game, has a profound effect, especially when the message is reinforced on Fox “News” and on talk radio and online. After all, if it weren’t for white evangelicals, Tr-mp would likely be in Moscow right now interviewing pee-shooting hookers for jobs at his yet-to-be-completed hotel there.

As for the Roy Moore-Doug Jones race ending tomorrow, a Pew study indicates that about one-half—one-half!—of Alabamians are white evangelicals. These folks are frequently bombarded with religious propaganda emanating from some very strange teachers. It is no wonder that Tr-mp seems like a persecuted hero to them, or that a gun-toting, teen-loving theocrat gets the benefit of their divinely derived doubt. As I said, that propaganda is rooted in grievance and fear, powerful motivators to believe the unbelievable—and powerful motivators to vote.

From the start I believed that the Democrat Doug Jones had no better than a two in ten chance to win in Alabama. Perhaps his odds are better now. Perhaps he will win, but I still have my serious doubts. I hope I’m wrong and people in Alabama surprise me. But no matter what happens tomorrow, this is bigger than just this one race. We still have the spooky specter of an evangelical-fueled Tr-mpism running and ruining the country, possibly the world.

The truth is that Tr-mp is using evangelicals, and evangelicals, mostly white, are using Tr-mp. He needs their votes and they need his judicial appointments, who will stop reproductive rights and gay marriage, two issues that to these zealots demonstrate our decadence even more than the success of mommy porn a few years ago. But there are some freakish evangelical extremists who are also looking to accelerate what they believe is taking way too long to actualize (for God’s sake, Hal Lindsey has been preaching this the-end-is-near hokum for almost 50 years and still going): a series of events involving Israel and her geographical and spiritual enemies that will lead to unspeakable destruction and the death of countless people—particularly and oddly, countless numbers of Jews.

So, wsimulated image of rapturee have Tr-mp’s plan to move our embassy to Jerusalem, seen by evangelicals as a pleasure-enhancing, Israel-affirming act that will, they believe, lead to the outpouring of God’s wrath on, of all people, the people of Israel. If Fifty Shades of Grey represented cultural degeneracy related to the boundaries of pain and pleasure,” surely this strange evangelical eschatology represents something much, much worse. Because there is something disturbingly sadistic about people championing a foreign policy that they believe culminates in inexpressible suffering, while those raptured rapturous champions watch it all from the clouds.

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For your education or for your pleasure, your choice, I am posting two videos. The first one is the source of many of the quotes I used from Rabbi Jonathan Cahn. You really should watch the entire presentation, which has been viewed 1.2 million times. Marvel at the fast talk, the dreadful hermeneutics and theology, the slick sales pitch. And look at that audience, as the light goes off in their heads.

The second video is from this past weekend. It features two of my favorite peeps, Joy Reid and Frank Schaeffer, discussing the whole End Times nonsense. Enjoy!

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  1. Anonymous

     /  December 11, 2017

    Duane,

    Excellent essay. Thank you for the enlightening information which has put my fears at ease. I had always thought Trump as the embodiment of “Gozer the Gozerian” from “Ghostbusters” that was also known as the “Destructor”. I assumed Mueller was to banish him again to the underworld. Now that we can see he is only wanting to start another holy war, he seems less frightening. The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey was my innoculation against the Left Behind series after surviving the 80’s. Enjoy you deserved time off from making us think!

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    • Thanks!

      Speaking of the Left Behind books, one of the co-authors, Tim LaHaye, wrote several “religious right psychology” books that were popular in the church crowd I was a part of way back when. One of them, The Battle for the Mind, I remember reading. It was essentially an attack on secularism and public education, as I recall. Funny how far I have come from those days.

      In any case, LaHaye has been wildly successful (and rich, I imagine) peddling the End Times nonsense. Even Nicolas Cage got caught up in it when he starred in what most people considered one of the all-time bad films, which was based on the first book in the Left Behind series. 

      As for Hal Lindsey, I read that book when I was a teenager and confess that stuff always scared me, since my mom believed in the Last Days theology Billy Graham used to peddle and sort of indoctrinated me with that message. Such stuff is hard to get over. A strange thing about how these things go is that I used to listen to Lindsey’s weekly radio program when I was still working. On that program was a man named John Gizzi, who tried, and failed, to lend a sense of “journalistic” credibility to the show. Never in my wildest imagination would I have ever thought Gizzi would end up among the White House press corps, called on during almost every briefing by, uh, Sarah Huckabee Sanders. 

      These are very weird times.

      Happy Holidays!

      Duane

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  2. ansonburlingame

     /  December 12, 2017

    Weird times, to say the least. Weird essay as well, but then I have seen it before from Duane. As the General said recently, this is not a religious friendly site! I wonder if Duane could start a slogan claiming end times from “Radical Christian Terrorists”?

    I offer a different view on this issue, almost a “non-view” as the author sticks to science, technology, psychology and sociology as his basis for human life in the future. He is Kim Stanley Robinson, a science fiction writer of real note who I may have mentioned before.

    You might check him out, particularly a relatively new book (2015) about interstellar space travel. Its title is “Aurora”. His premise is that “life” may well abound in the universe but each particular form of life is unique to each planet (or maybe its own star system) upon which it resides. As well “life” on one planet (or star system) is very likely deadly to “life” from a different planet. As well because of extraordinary distances involved moving one form of “life” to different planets (or star systems) may well be impossible, except of course within our own solar system.

    In other words Earth is the only real “home” we will ever have for life as we know it. Thus, we better damn well take care of Earth as there is no place else for us to go. Again, no religion involved in his decades long writing career. Some would call him a radical environmentalist I suppose.

    No one will ever convince the evangelicals that they are wrong. No one will ever do the same for radical Islamists. The best we can do is treat them the same way we have done with KKK or other extremists groups. Let them have their assemblies (freedom of speech), rant to high heaven and just leave them alone. Let they simply die on the vine in their own “crazy” beliefs UNTIL they violate the law of the land. Then prosecute them for violation of law, not moral beliefs, even if you feel their beliefs are amoral. Said another way, let “snake handlers” handle all the snakes they choose to handle as long as they keep the snakes in their own “church” and not bring them into our larger society.

    I get sick and tired of getting moral lectures on political issues. “You” do to when the lectures come from evangelicals. I want political solutions that simply “will work”. In that regard I am a pragmatist. Piling on more and more programs that could well bankrupt the country is as amoral as leaving people to die in the streets. It is just a longer “death”, running out of resources to meet “wants” rather than real “needs”. It is also an emerging weakness in a pure democracy, one that our Founders held concerns about and Europeans said will never work.

    By the way, Robinson has written many books (science fiction) where the Earth is “flooded” with sea levels some 50 or more feet higher than today, in the fictional future. If only people in the past had taken care of Earth, “back then” (which is today), then ……… is a continuing theme in every thing he has written, that I have read at least.

    As I write, the votes are being cast in Alabama. Will the despicable Moore win? Probably not in my view but it may be close. But if he wins, I won’t lose much sleep over the matter. It will be just another link in the chain that is now strangling the GOP. My real concern is when the GOP goes down, hard, I fear what will be left to take its place. If you believe the $1.5 Trillion lack of income in the recent tax bill is bad, just wait and see what the real boggy will be, along with our Navy left to guard the “left coast” of America, only and a few other rather important matters that democrats will inevitably screw up, just like the GOP today!.

    When will we find a leader and a party that will do things that work for America. There has been a huge dearth of such for far too long now, far, far too long.

    Anson

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    • Anson,

      I wish it were as simple as merely leaving the zealots alone, whether it be Christian ones or Muslim ones or, hell, Jewish ones. They won’t be left alone. In America, conservative evangelicalism is a major political force. Thus, it cannot be ignored. We do so at our peril.

      My belief on extraterrestrial life is fairly simple. I strongly assume there are other life forms in this massive universe. And I weakly assume some of those forms involve intelligence of some kind. But because of the distances and our limitations, I am confident we will never contact any other form of life, unless they contact us through some inconceivable method of communication or space travel. But it is fun to imagine. And the search we are doing, such as it is, should continue.

      As for Robinson, I find it very hard to understand how you can read his books and not be alarmed by what Tr-mp and his ridiculous administration are doing, or not doing, regarding climate change. That cannot be credibly compared to, if you are truly considering our future, any budgetary issue you might be worried about. 

      By the way, I guess you chose to ignore my analogy (in terms of how people like me view Tr-mp) to WWII and the urgency of the moment—I answered you on another post (where you raised your recent Globe editorial), and I didn’t receive a response. So, I guess you have none. But I will say here, again, that you continue to amaze me in your seeming lack of alarm, not at the failure of pragmatic politics on both sides, but at what we are seeing done to our democratic institutions each and every day. That damage may not be repairable and it is very dangerous what is happening. Yet, you continue to say things like Doug Jones is a “bad” guy.

      I just don’t fucking get it. As I said before, I am confident that if a Democrat (like Obama) were trying to undermine, and in some cases destroy our institutions (like the press, Justice Department, etc), you’d be up all night writing and worrying about the state of things. But you have a strange lack of urgency regarding Tr-mp, even though you admit he’s nuts. Again, I don’t fucking get it.

      Duane

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  3. So. Sadly, almost half of Alabama voter turnout went to Roy Moore. Happily more went to good guy, Doug Jones. This is Doug Jones Day. The Trumpster failed. The rightousLESS Evanagelicals failed. The Nazis failed. The Let’s celebrate another defeat for the Grotesque Old Pedophiles.

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  4. ansonburlingame

     /  December 13, 2017

    Hmmmmm. The bad guys lost, but bad guys won, is my view, of course.

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    • Anonymous

       /  December 13, 2017

      Hmmmm. The child molester lost, but the man that prosecuted the Ku Klux Klan murderers won, is my view of course.

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    • Hmmmmm. Doug Jones is a bad guy, Anson?
      Hmmmmm. There’s an idiot in the room.

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      • I suspect that jeffersondavis Anson’s “reasoning” is the same as that of Larry L. Smith, of Warfordsburg, PA, who phoned in to the Hagerstown, MD, Herald-Mail‘s “Feedback” section yesterday in reply to a comment from someone who

        is disgusted that good Alabama folks may vote for Roy Moore rather than a Democrat. Maybe the ‘good folks’ are disgusted with Roy Moore, but they are more disgusted with the policies that the Democrats stand for and push. Since 2010, Democrats have lost the House, Senate, presidency, plus many governorships and state government elected positions, but they still believe their left-leaning ‘progressive movement’ is adored by all. Maybe they will figure that out some day. Maybe the rural population is not as uneducated and clueless as some of the so-called ‘educated elite’ and media who march in lockstep with the Democratic Party leaders.

        There is not a word of that comment that alexanderstephens Anson could not have written, except that he would have referred to “the Democrat Party leaders”, because he consistently refers to “the Democrat Party”. As if he wanted to be absolutely sure that we all knew that the only reason he has a brain is so his scalp doesn’t fall down through the hollow round of his empty fucking skull into his windpipe and choke him to merciful death.

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        • Amazing that people not only believe, but are willing to express such belief, that a person like Roy Moore, who, leaving aside those sexual allegations and his theocratic beliefs, was as dumb as a fucking rock, is preferable to a man such as Doug Jones. As I said earlier, it is discouraging.

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  5. ansonburlingame

     /  December 14, 2017

    Progressives have been considered morally despicable by evangelicals for a long time, now. Of course Duane (and most of you herein) will lead the charge that evangelicals (or is it anyone claiming to be Christian) are two-faced, moral pretenders. Of course when it comes to pure politics, each side tries to achieve the moral high ground. Well, I ask, who should be the final judge in such matters, the “majority”, “God”, SCOTUS (or other courts within our legal system). It is usually relatively easy to determine if a law has be violated. But what if someone’s sense of a moral violation is alleged? Can any court of law judge THAT transgression or alleged transgression. Can YOU.

    Of course YOU can so judge, just as I can. But who gets to make the societal, final judgment and how long can such a “final judgment” last. Can “history” be the final judge? And if “history” is the judge, then why have any stature of limitations on any “moral transgression”.

    The best word I can find to describe our current “moral dilemmas” is QUICKSAND. Anyone that steps into it gets sucked down to oblivion today. In the meantime our country stalemates over details all the time now. I really will be interested how progressives decide to “legislate morality” in the coming years. I wonder what America will look like when you clean out all the “deplorables”, OR when “deplorables” get the reins of government back into THEIR hands, again, which will happen someday, in a democracy. Do you really think any political party has a lock on being the “Moral Majority”, or ever will have such a lock in the future.

    I will note this point. Progressives, “deplorable progressives” like some of you herein really sound, to me, like fools, standing on your almighty thrones casting hell and damnation on anyone that fails to hold your political beliefs. YOU (Loomis) sound exactly like Roy Moore trumpting your indignation.

    Anson

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    • Anonymous

       /  December 14, 2017

      Anson,

      In your previous reply, you asserted that the bad guy lost the election. We can certainly agree on that. Then you posted that the bad guy won. Bullshit, plain and simple, you do not cite any basis for your claim against Jones. The Generalist asked to to explain your reasoning, but realizing that you could not nor would not explain your assertion, referred to such a stance as being an idiotic. To make such a false charge without explanation invites ridicule.

      Duane, nor anyone else herein has claimed all Christians or evangicals are two-faced moral pretenders, and I challenge you to cite any such instance. No one faults the effort toward morality that religion offers, just don’t try to force the belief that the God that you worship is the law for the entire world. That is no less offensive than Sharia law. Moore’s campaign painted LGBTQ as vile, abortion as murder, and that no Muslims can serve in public office.

      If you believe this true, if you believe the 10 Commandents belongs in our Supreme Courts, and that voting for an alleged child molester over a liberal is justified because of their beliefs, then that is idiocy deserving of ridicule. Our forefathers wisely founded this country on secular belief, and that NO religious test be required of its’ governance or citizenry. We are not the ones claiming to be a “moral majority”, that’s your side of the aisle, although actions speak louder than words.

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    • Life is not balanced, Anson. Roy Moore is a schmuck. Doug Jones is a decent man. Hell, he’s not even a liberal. You don’t think we should paint with a broad brush, but you classified Jones as “bad” because he’s a Democrat. Gimme a break. That’s too foggy — even for you.

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  6. ansonburlingame

     /  December 15, 2017

    General, I certainly agree that Moore is a schmuck and Jones a good and decent man. But I assert that Democrats in no way have a higher moral ground than the GOP. It is all pure, “schmucky” politics. Many Americans firmly believe that abortion is very IMMORAL. I disagree and believe “choice” is a far better (and yes, pragmatic) path to govern. But if someone calls me “immoral” for that political belief, my tendency is to return fire with vigor.

    I much prefer we leave morality to something other than politics and stick to “what will work best for America” as the measure of successful government.

    Another point, a political (pragmatic) point of view, but not a moral one. I am becoming more convinced as this whole “Russian thing” continues, that “someone” has used the huge power of government agencies to gain political ends. Of course you will call me a “fool” for that increasing conviction, not yet a certainty, but strong belief at least at this point in time.

    When I served in the military for 23 years it never even dawned on me to express strong political beliefs. Actually I never held such strong beliefs while so serving. I was far too busy “doing my job” instead. If I wrote, publicly, the political views expressed herein while serving in the military I would have probably been given an obscure desk to command or even required to leave the Navy, under the gun so to speak.

    But now I see, rather clearly, two highly partison members of the FBI, people with reasonably high level jobs in the investigation of both Hillary and now trump. Accepting such a job is, to me moral turpitude on their part. They should have both recused themselves, professionally, as too biased to conduct a truly impartial investigation. That would have been the “honest” thing to do by THEM and I hold them morally accountable for not doing so. That is of course just my own “moral judgment”, not a legal one. Probably they conducted themselves legally correct in all cases. If I “hate” one man, how can I investigate him, or his political opponent whom I “love”? Could you do that?

    We are now reaching the point, politically, that both potential prosecutors and defendants (politically) should have the opportunity to conduct a “va dire” (spl) as in a jury selection to confirm absolute independence with zero bias, before selecting FBI or intelligence personal to conduct any sort of (political) investigation. Of course we demand a bipartisan investigation by Congress as well. Are you kidding me, in today’s political environment. IMPOSSIBLE I now assert and it is the fault of BOTH sides, not just one.

    Consider who first wrote in Comey’s draft “grossly negligent” or “likely” instead of “possible”. If those words had remained in that draft I am sure you and Duane would be on a witch hunt to find the “conservative, biased SOB” that wrote THOSE words, right? My guess just such an FBI underling indeed wrote that first draft, that was later changed by a “liberal, biased SOB”.

    Now you tell me who would be right, particularly when the words were first written and then changed BEFORE many “principals” had even been interviewed. How can anyone write a summary judgment before all the “facts” are seen and digested, in an unbiased manner?

    Can you honestly not agree with me “What a MESS” it (the investigations) was and is continuing to be. You will never be satisfied until Hillary is exonerated of “everything” and trump is left hung (literally, maybe) high as a kite. I am left with very little “faith” in anyone to conduct a really fair and unbaised investigation of “anything” where Dems and GOP are on opposite sides now.

    The “White House”, really an American institution, has been crumbling around us since 9/11, in my view. It has gotten really terrible in the last year, also. I have clung to a semblance of “faith” in other American institutions to get us through this current mess. But now I am losing, fast, any semblance of such “faith” in ANY American institution. It has ALL now become fucking politics with very little “morality” that I can find on either side. Your probably have little “faith” in SCOTUS now and will never reclaim such “faith” until you get a 6-3 LIBERAL majority in that court. You will also fight tooth and nail against any conservative appointed by …….

    As for Alabama, there were some 1.3 million votes cast. I only agree with about 22,000 of such votes as I would have done the same, voted the same way. It would follow my “beliefs” expressed in my Nov 2016 ballot, a write-in vote, but actually a complete rejection of BOTH “principle candidates”.

    Now in my “older years” I really hate driving in heavy traffic. Dallas and Atlanta are two cities I “have” to visit from time to time but I really HATE driving there. My solution, as expressed many times to my wife is “nuclear weapons”. Just blow’em both off the map!!! That is now my political view of both parties. F…….. ’em, BOTH

    You and Duane only would want to blow Dallas off the map and keep Atlanta (metaphorically only I assure you). Does that give you the “moral high ground”? Nope, not in my view.

    Anson

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    • Funny thing but I didn’t notice you getting all worried about the FBI when some agents attached to New York were attacking Hillary Clinton and ratting to Rudy Guiliani during the campaign. Amazing, Anson.

      And you give your Fox viewing habits away by even raising the ridiculous argument that somehow the FBI, an inherently conservative agency, is involved in a dishonest plot (that’s what you are suggesting) to help Democrats. I guess it doesn’t matter that the lead man on the investigation is a Republican, a war hero, and a man of the highest integrity, vouched for (once upon a time) by leaders in both parties (you know, that bipartisan shit you’re always demanding). And I guess it doesn’t matter that the former head of the FBI is, perhaps second only to the Russians and their theft of emails, the biggest reason Clinton lost, or have you forgotten James Comey, who didn’t bother to mention Tr-mp was under investigation while he was publicly criticizing Hillary?

      Goddammit, Anson, you have allowed yourself to fall prey to the intent of what the Tr-mp administration, Republicans in the House, and, of course, the fucking Fox assholes meant to do: taint the investigation even though two big indictments and a plea deal have resulted so far. I used to think the quality of your analysis was better than all this bullshit, but, alas, I was wrong. 

      Finally, I don’t know what has happened to you, but all that ridiculous and cranky talk about blowing up cities and the straw man fantasy about we liberals supposedly having all the moral high ground is not a good sign. I suggest over the holidays some rest, relaxation, and a cold-turkey withdraw from Fox conspiracies and the pricks who propagate them. Then maybe you will come back and have an intelligent conversation next year.

      Hoping you a Fox-less Christmas and New Year,

      Duane

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      • I used to think the quality of your analysis was better than all this bullshit, but, alas, I was wrong.

        Told you.

        Finally, I don’t know what has happened to you

        I’m pretty sure it’s what Dr. Sid Schwab at Cutting Through The Crap calls “Foxolimjonesification”, or some subset of that. He denies being a Fox news watcher specifically, but even if that’s the case, I suspect Limbaugh, Beck, and Alex Jones play a much larger role in his media diet than MSNBC — and I don’t mean all of them together, I mean each of them individually.

        Then again, all I have to go by are the words he shits out of that extra anus under his nose. I mean, the late God forbid I should judge what he thinks by something as trifling as what he says. I obviously need to develop the same telepathic powers he uses to divine your desire to destroy Dallas, or Nancy Pelosi’s desire to have rich people stripped naked and shot in the head. Then I’d understand what a blameless, holy creature he really is.

        Whatever happened to him, started long before I came here and inflicted upon myself awareness of his delusions of existence. It may have gotten worse with time, but I’ve never known him when he didn’t eagerly swallow the Noise Machine’s shit and vomit it back out into your comments.

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    • Horseshit!

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  7. ansonburlingame

     /  December 16, 2017

    Duane,

    I have not watched Fox shows for about a year, period. Like driving in crazy traffic, I HAVE to watch MSNBC as my wife now keeps it running during the day, all the time. And yes, I get dizzy, rolling my eyes all day with that in the background.

    My analysis, like it or not, remains my own. And yes, I am far more “confused” today than ever before in my “political” life, time spent reading and worrying about same.

    As for how I felt about the FBI/HIllary, a year ago, it remains the same. By any standards I ever knew, or know today, about handling classified material, what she did (seemed to do) would have landed ME in jail for a long time, a long time ago. Whether marked as such or not, the kind of stuff she “communicated” as SECSTATE (ANY, SecState) would and should have been “Top Secret, code word, cover words” all over the place and had NO BUSINESS being where it existed, period. My only distinction in the matter is the question of “going to jail”. I only know that if I had done it, that is what would have happened to me, probably. But even if I did not go to jail (conviction of a felony crime) I would have lost my security clearance and disbarred from anything to do with classified material for the rest of my life, period!!

    I close with a simple question, already asked. Given my “politics” would you ever allow me to become a part of the investigation of Hillary? Along the same line would I not raise holy hell if you or General (much less some others herein) do the same for current “Russian thing”. From all I can tell you and General are both honest and thoughtful men and express your views herein honestly and thoughtfully. But let you sit in judgment of such highly charged political issues, no way for any of the three of us, today. If asked I would recuse myself for sure. Would you do the same? Frankly, I don’t know the answer to that question for YOU.

    Anson

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    • Anonymous

       /  December 17, 2017

      Anson,

      Let me get this straight, I believe you are implying that an FBI agent is not allowed to identify with a political party? Rep. Sean Duffy (R) has made the scurrilous accusation that the Mueller investigation has a Democratic bias. Despite the fact that Mueller is a Republican, appointed by Bush, and forbidden from asking agents political leanings by law. Therefore, your whole bias argument is bullshit. If Mueller can’t ask their political leanings to be considered for the job, then you can’t stack the deck politically. I guess if you can’t dazzle people with brilliance, you forced to baffle them with bullshit and attempt to deflect those nails closing your coffin.

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