Sarah Palin And The End of Civility

Now that the fractional governor, Sarah Palin, has been exposed for all—even the gullible—to see (something I repeatedly maintained would happen), I think it is time to examine two uncomfortable details from the 2008 campaign that I shall never get over and that perhaps changed the nature of our politics for generations.

Number one: On October 4, 2008, Ms. Palin, a candidate for Vice President of the United States, said this about Barack Obama:

This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America. We see America as the greatest force for good in this world. If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for all of us. Our opponent though, is someone who sees America it seems as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.

The Associated Press reported at the time:

The Republican campaign, falling behind Obama in polls, plans to make attacks on Obama’s character a centerpiece of presidential candidate John McCain’s message with a month remaining before Election Day.

But the attacks on Barack Obama were more than just desperate, last-minute campaign tactics. They turned out to be a glimpse into the post-election future, as the Republican Party and its extremist allies conspired to demean, delegitimate, and destroy the presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.

And, oddly, I don’t completely or even largely blame Sarah Palin for the initial unprecedented attack—and suggesting that Barack Obama sympathized with terrorists “who would target their own country” is unprecedented as far as I’m concerned— on a political opponent who was aspiring to be President of the United States.

I blame people like Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace, not to mention John McCain, who ultimately picked her.

Which leads me to the number two detail about the 2008 presidential campaign:

Steve Schmidt was the top campaign strategist for John McCain and Nicolle Wallace was a senior advisor. Today, you can see them both frequently on cable television.   Three years ago they were essentially Palin’s “handlers” after she was chosen for VP, and both of them came to find out that she was, essentially, unfit for the office she was seeking.

Ms. Wallace just confessed to Time magazine (in a stunningly strange interview that lacked proper follow-up questions) the following about the inspiration for a VP character in her latest book of fiction:

The idea of a mentally ill vice president who suffers in complete isolation was obviously sparked by the behaviors I witnessed by Sarah Palin. What if somebody who was ill-equipped for the office were to ascend to the presidency or vice presidency? What would they do? How long would it take for people to figure it out? I became consumed by this question.

Wallace went on to suggest that like the character in her book, Palin was in a “troubled state of confusion, despair and helplessness,” and,

Palin vacillated between extraordinary highs on the campaign stage — she ignited more enthusiasm than our side had seen at any other point — to debilitating lows. She was often withdrawn, uncommunicative and incapable of performing even the most basic tasks required of her job as McCain’s running mate…

There certainly were discussions — not for long because of the arc the campaign took — but certainly there were discussions about whether, if they were to win, it would be appropriate for her to be sworn in.

Now, Steve Schmidt, who don’t forget was running John McCain’s campaign, was asked about Nicolle Wallace’s remarks and this is what he told Lawrence O’Donnell Thursday night:

…during the campaign after the economy collapsed we were essentially out of it. We were never closer than six or seven points again. But if the question is, did all of us, you know,  a bunch of us, who had been around the West Wing of the White House, did we see behavior that we found deeply troubling? And the answer to that question is,  yes, we did. Uh, did we talk about it? Uh, yes, we did. You know, was there, you know, legal considerations? No, there were not. But did we talk about a pattern of behavior that we found troubling during the campaign? Of course we did.

Now, forget, if you can, how  cold-dead frightening are the admissions by Wallace and Schmidt.  Let’s go back to Palin’s appalling and unprecedented remarks about Barack Obama.  They were made on October 4.  And remember that Schmidt referenced the economic collapse of 2008, asserting that after the collapse, “we were essentially out of it.” When did that collapse happen?  September 15, 2008.

So, we have Sarah Palin making her  famous “palling around with terrorists” remark after Schmidt recognized that the campaign was doomed, and after he and Nicolle Wallace recognized that Palin’s behavior was, in the words of Schmidt, “deeply troubling,” and in the words of Wallace merited discussions about whether “it would be appropriate for her to be sworn in.” 

Those aren’t my words.  Those aren’t the words of any Obama supporter. Those are the words of those closest to John McCain and his campaign in 2008.

Let the cynicism sink in.  Let it penetrate your brain like WD-40. 

These disgusting people were using Sarah Palin to trash Obama in unthinkable and country-dividing ways, even when they knew the race was lost, when they knew that their vice presidential candidate was profoundly and dangerously flawed.  For his part, to this day John McCain defends his decision to unleash the quit-in-a-fit governor on the rest of the country.

Just a few days after the 2008 election, when the anti-Palin stories were trickling out from “anonymous” campaign staffers,  I wrote a column for the Joplin Globe, partly defending Sarah Palin on the basis of her obvious ordinariness:

Ms. Palin’s naiveté included the fact that she did not understand how her Republican handlers used her; how they cynically chose her to appeal to women; how they disgracefully structured her stump speeches to question Barack Obama’s patriotism; and how they finally discarded her when she failed to convince a majority of the electorate to take her seriously as a candidate.

While she deserves part of the blame for such crass cynicism, the real culprits were the Republican Svengalis who, confident in their own ability to hoodwink the electorate one more time, plucked her from her Alaskan nest, knowing she could not fly.

I have little doubt that she honestly believed in what she was doing. That’s what makes it so sad and pathetic to watch her fellow Republicans cut her up and now suggest to the world that the whole Palin phenomenon was founded on a lie.

Using her anti-elitist persona as a hook to attract similarly lowbrow voters, the campaign insisted she was nevertheless qualified to be commander in chief. Turns out that presenting her as merely “common folk” wasn’t just a phony campaign tactic. Ms. Palin was as common as advertised, but she was uncommonly unfit to lead the free world.

That was November, 2008, and Ms. Palin, of course, has since learned a thing or two about how to manipulate those anti-elitist types for her own financial gain. But much of the fault for what Sarah Palin did—and continues to do—to our politics, lies with people like Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt and John McCain, who were willing to use the  ‘ill-equipped” “pit bull” Palin to  jump-start the prejudices and fears of part of the American electorate in order to win an election and achieve power.

And as the 2012 general election season approaches, those prejudices and fears will be stoked once again, and the campaign to come—largely because of what happened in 2008—will feature a cyclone of cynicism which will likely blow away what’s left of our political civility.

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  1. ansonburlingame

     /  October 7, 2011

    Duane,

    As noted previously, I was out of town for a long weekend and did not participate herein or anywhere else. For five days I did not read a newspaper or magazine or watch anything on TV expect foreign soccer matches (my son, daughter in law and four year old grandchild all play and love soccer). Nice break.

    Then i returned home and scanned your blogs to see what I had missed from the left. It was and is comfortable “missing” all that stuff and I have only engaged in what to me is an interesting exchange with “Moe” about her brother’s successs and why it happened. The rest of “it” is not worth commenting upon at least from my perspective. I am sure some of your readers hope that I go on a more extended “long weekend” for sure.

    But this blog, deserves a short reply. The GOP was going to lose in 2008 come hell, high water or anything else other than a nuclear attack on the homeland. The country was fed up with the GOP for sure after 8 years. Bush saw that handwriting on the wall after losing Congress in 2006.

    For sure the GOP campaign was an “attack campaign” against what Obame “might do”. That was their only leg to stand on, while Dems campaigned on what Bush “had done”. Obama won on hope and change for sure.

    Now the tactics are reversed. Look at what Obama “has done” and the GOP approach to “change that” or “make things better”?

    Obama and Dems CANNOT campaign on what they “have done” in any way. They can only blame the GOP for “holding them back” or try to scare the electorate in a “Palin style” you better watch out when HE gets into office (pick any Republican as the target for now).

    You personally started that Dem campaign strategy early last summer. You have been consumned with “attack blogs” against anything Republican for coming up on six months and I am sure your are just getting started.

    Actually, I can’t wait to read your blogs really going after Herb Cain if he continues to rise in GOP polls. I wonder if there will be undertones of “Uppity Negro” in any of those blogs!!!! For sure you will allege that he does not have the Negro (or any minority) cause in his “heart” with GOP like policies.

    But I am also sure you will only refer to him or infere that he is just a greedy Capitalist, and NOT a greedy, Negro Capitalist that “made it” on the backs of minorities.

    Your are correct that Palin lowered the level in 2008. But since then EVERYONE has stoopted to that level, not just the GOP. And you will be hell bent for leather to continue the process every chance you get to support YOUR causes, but not mine.

    Anson

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    • “Uppity Negro”????
      From the LEFT?
      Anson, that’s just sad. Sad that you are so out of touch with reality.
      Really.
      And then, you go on to suggest ‘readers’ come here to see what YOUR comments are? That’s just laughable and sad.
      Here’s the reality check. You are worried that people were thinking, “Where’s Anson?”, when it’s more true that ‘readers’ weren’t thinking about Anson at all.

      You more or less say that “being here” is uncomfortable and uninteresting? Then why bother? Is it an obsessive/compulsive thing, like people who cut themselves uncontrollably or swallow inedible items?
      I don’t get it.
      Is this a paid gig that you are required to attend?

      You mostly skirted the issue, that being the fact that Palin is/was totally unfit for the office, even bordering on a mental illness.
      Skirting involves misdirection, so you slide over into Cain and “uppity negro”.
      Cain is another laughable attempt by the GOP to bring somebody ‘real’ to elect. This guy is no more real than a cartoon. He has no idea what 9/9/9 actually is or what it would do.

      I usually scroll over your comments, BUT, since you suggested boredom and “The rest of “it” is not worth commenting….”, I thought I’d give you the courtesy of some attention before you go.
      You’re welcome.

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    • Anson,

      I will only remark on one thing you said:

      Obama and Dems CANNOT campaign on what they “have done” in any way. They can only blame the GOP for “holding them back” or try to scare the electorate in a “Palin style” you better watch out when HE gets into office (pick any Republican as the target for now).

      Well, I believe there are plenty of positive things they can campaign on, if they have the guts to campaign on them. But they also need to campaign on the truth: Republicans have sabotaged the efforts to fix the economy and they continue to do so.

      Finally, it is very scary to contemplate a Republican in the White House with both the Senate and the House on his side. Heck, I think it even scares you.

      Duane

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      • As far as what to campaign on?
        A quick check of Politifact shows that Obama has done as well, or better than, the GOP. That is, telling the TRUTH, and KEEPING PROMISES.

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  2. Thanks for posting on this, Duane. Coming from two prominent GOP political tacticians at the top, these admissions are startling, not for what they reveal but for the mere fact that such things would be revealed so candidly by important partisans. Further, this kind of gamesmanship reveals something very ugly about how politics is waged in the video soundbite era, viz., that appearance is more important than substance.

    Now maybe this has always been the case and the machinations have simply hidden the ugly details before, but I don’t really think so. When I think back to, for example, the Lincoln-Douglas debates, it seems to me that people were fixed on substance more than appearance. In fact, Mr. Lincoln wasn’t exactly a pretty boy, was he? In this regard, Ms. Palin’s cover picture in your post makes the point better than any words I can offer – it’s perfect.

    Palin’s self-aggrandizing motives have become increasingly apparent with time. In contrast I find it interesting that Gov. Christie chose his obligation to complete his gubernatorial term as his primary reason for not running. Here are two directly opposing political precedents from within the same party, and yet nobody, at least yet, seems to find the dichotomy important. But, I do.

    As for what’s left of our political civility, I can only ask, what civility? I think the last of it may have died in 2008. Our politics seems to have been reduced to a football quotation:

    “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”

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    • On point and well said. Kudos.

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    • Jim,

      I’m surprised at how little notice the admission received. I suspect that most folks already knew that Palin was abjectly unqualified to be VP, but I don’t understand how the suggestions that there was something dangerously unqualifying about her passed so easily throught he press.

      And while I too find the dichotomy between what Christie did and what Palin did important, I think Christie made his own calculations for his own future, not necessarily for the future of the country. He could see how much it hurt Palin doing what she did with her responsibilities, and he is nothing if not patient. But that’s okay, I suppose. Politicans make those calculations all the time. The difference is he made them for selfish political reasons and she made them for selfish financial reasons. That’s the distinction that I think, as you suggest, sets his kind apart from her kind.

      Duane

      Duane

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      • I think your reasoning about politicians’ motives is correct. And speaking of that, the plot of a new movie centers on such things and I am looking forward to seeing it: “The Ides of March”, with George Clooney.

        Unfortunately, I and my bladder can no longer stand to sit in suspicious darkness for up to 3 hours among discourteous strangers, nor do I like it when I can’t control the volume, the mute, the previews and the ads. So, we wait for the DVD.

        Maybe I should get a router and download via satellite. Hmm. I wonder when Dish gets it.

        If you or others see it first, let me know if it’s good. (But please, don’t spoil the plot.)

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  3. Randy

     /  October 8, 2011

    Duane, as is the usual case with your nauseating and one sided articles… you left out some very important facts:

    1. What Sarah Palin said was true. Obama *did* pal around with unrepentant anti-American terrorists (Bill Ayers and wife).

    2. Politics have been uncivil for a very very long time, and the left is probably more uncivil than the right (compare a tea party gathering with this):

    http://redblueamerica.com/blog/2011-02-17/more-hateful-uncivil-rhetoric-left-teachers-union-protesters-compare-wi-gov-hitler-muslilini-and-ra-9045

    I sure wish you would just be honest about things Duane.

    Randy

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    • Randy,

      1. If you consider having a working acquaintance with someone as “palling” around with them, then I am quite confident that in your working life you have palled around with some rather unsavory characters. I won’t go any further than that.

      2. No doubt, incivility in politics has been with us from the beginning of the Republic, Randy. We have discussed that several times on this blog. What is different these days is the WIDESPREAD willingness on the part of the Right to question the patriotism of Obama and his bona fides as not just an American, but as a believer in America. That’s different in my experience from what has come before, when there would be only pockets of such behavior. It is now mainstream behavior on the right-wing.

      3. Your example of what happened in Wisconsin in no way compares to the things teapartiers said about Obama, and continue to say about him. As I said before, to have practically the entire conservative movement question whether a sitting President really loves the country he governs is, well, unbelievable to me. No matter how much criticism George Bush received as president, there wasn’t an entire political movement dedicated to the proposition that he was trying, intentionally, to destroy the country.

      I wish you would be honest about things, Randy.

      Duane

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  4. ansonburlingame

     /  October 9, 2011

    To all,

    As I reviewed the comments after my initial entry into this blog i was struck first by Sekan’s “Cain is another laughable attempt by the GOP to bring somebody ‘real’ to elect.”

    I also ignore his attempt to explain or understand my own political views, views that are far different from those usually expressed in this blog. Unsurprisingly he suggests that I “stay out” when I express my views. Good luck Sekan. Ignore all you like as well.

    Cain is laughable??? He doesn’t understand his own “999”! Well then I guess he is stupid as well, knowing nothing about which he speaks, just like Palin, right??

    But thankuflly the November 2012 election will NOT be decided in this blog or my own as well!!!

    Then we have the “many good things that Obama has done or tried to do”. Boy I would love to hear that kind of campaign, for Democrats to campaign on what they have done or tried to do. I bet even MacCaskill won’t try to take that approach. She will “Tea Party” to death any candidate opposing her.

    If they did that and left out the scare tactics (Palin tactics) of “look what THEY (the GOP) would do if…..” we could have two campaigns based on MERIT of achievement for the good of the country. No negatives, just good, sound arguments over “my way is the right way”.

    But that will not happen for sure. We will continue to engage over who exactly is more “laughable”, Obama with his agenda or his ultimate GOP opponent. Well when I consider another Obama term in office I don’t laugh, I cry for the sake of the country.

    So add maudlin to your psychoanalyis, Sekan. In that case I will only laugh however!!

    Anson

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    • Anson, you’re the one that expressed your reason for being here:
      “see what I had missed from the left.”
      and:
      It was and is comfortable “missing” all that stuff and I have only engaged in what to me is an interesting exchange with “Moe”, etc.

      I took my lead from your own words.
      You wrote them, I followed your words.

      If you think I intend to waste time addressing your comments, and/or encouraging you to leave, you’re wrong. Your words were clear- it is “comfortable” not reading this “stuff” and the only interesting exchange you’ve had was with Moe about other topics.

      Like I said, I usually just scroll over your comments.
      Now I remember why.
      Leave or stay. “Readers” don’t much care either way.
      Comment away. Good luck, Anson!

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  5. Anson has a blog?

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  6. hlgaskins

     /  October 9, 2011

    “Cain is laughable??? He doesn’t understand his own “999″! Well then I guess he is stupid as well, knowing nothing about which he speaks, just like Palin, right??”

    Cain isn’t “laughable,” but he has sold-out the values that once drove his political choices. There was time during the Bush era that many on the right considered that McCain would shift parties.

    This is a quote from a speech in his 2000 campaign>

    “McCain made a February 28 speech in Virginia Beach that criticized Christian leaders, including Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, as divisive; McCain declared, “… we embrace the fine members of the religious conservative community. But that does not mean that we will pander to their self-appointed leaders.”

    His turnaround is akin to a scene from “The Stepford Wives.”

    The right takes no prisoners!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain_presidential_campaign,_2000

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    • You are right, HL. It appears that in today’s GOP at least, the ideology du jour trumps yesteryears’. Your mention of religion as an issue is indeed germane, but for me, McCain’s reversal on immigration trumps all his others. Unforgivable.

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      • hlgaskins

         /  October 10, 2011

        “Your mention of religion as an issue is indeed germane, but for me, McCain’s reversal on immigration trumps all his others. Unforgivable.”

        Considering his onetime support for immigrants (many originating from Mexico, his Arizona constituents) that was indeed a turnaround. Once George Bush left office however, all were “gloves were off,” since he no longer felt concerned about hurting the feelings of George’s brother’s, Mexican wife. 😉

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    • I laughed when Cain was asked about what the 9-9-9 would look like statistically. That is, what kind of actual revenue would it generate, and exactly who would benefit from this.
      He just said something about ‘economists’, but couldn’t even quote ‘economists’ who support him.
      This 9-9-9 would further cripple our economy, and the poor and middle class.
      I guess it’s really not funny that people jump onto a new idea without researching any of it. I shouldn’t laugh.

      It’s not a viable solution to our economic woes, and, he would be unable to pass this legislation IF he were to even get the nomination and win the election.

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      • hlgaskins

         /  October 10, 2011

        Sekan

        “laughed when Cain was asked about what the 9-9-9 would look like statistically.”

        He probably read the numbers 999, while they were inverted, which sent ripples of concern to the right fearing that they could no longer buy or sell. 🙂

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  7. ansonburlingame

     /  October 10, 2011

    OK, HLG,

    Back to some ‘reasonable” discussion in that we both agree that Cain is not “laughable”. He is very serious about his proposals and is campaigning hard to win over voters.

    Sure his views are contraditory to those of Obama. But again, neither of those two men are “laughable”. To me Obama is “cryable” as is Cain, probably, to you and laughable to Sekan. So what.

    It is who is RIGHT or correct in their views, Cain or Obama, or Obama and “any” GOP candidate in opposing him in the general election.

    “Laughable, titianium headed, uninformed or uneducated, etc. etc” is beside the point. It all boils down to what is the correct thing to do for the country in the views of individual voters. And if the voters themselves are “laughable, cryable, etc.” and make a “bad” choice, then what does that say about democracy? Is that not why our Founders created a Republic to begin with?

    One other point that I read recently in some colum or comment. It was on my USNA class website wherein we have had a rousing disucssion about the speed of light. Someone pointed out that “statistics do NOT prove anything”. At best statistics can only show what might be the greatest chance of success within some realm of probability, like walking through a wall using quantum theory. Impossible? Statistidcally, yes, but……. And that is for only “today”. Who knows the realm of probablity tomorrow. Many thought we could NEVER exceed the speed of sound maybe 100 years ago.

    I know you and yours like to use statistics a lot to “prove a point”. OK, if we keep spending $1 Trillion more a year than we “make” for???? how long before we go statistically bankrupt? I cannot prove that point with statistics but it sure makes sense to me. How about you?

    And believe you me that concept of “going bankrupt” drives much of my politics today, statistically or not.

    Anson

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    • hlgaskins

       /  October 10, 2011

      “Back to some ‘reasonable” discussion in that we both agree that Cain is not “laughable”. He is very serious about his proposals and is campaigning hard to win over voters.”

      What I was stating Anson, is that the “standup guy” McCain once was sold out his values. There was a time when I considered McCain on of the “voices of reason” on the right, but that time has come and gone.

      “Sure his views are contraditory to those of Obama.”

      His current views are contradictory to his own. I haven’t agreed with republicans since Richard Nixon, although I did like Ford. There was a time when I didn’t agree with the right, but neither did I sense the immediacy of concern I feel for them today. Unlike the right, vitriol doesn’t seem to be “hardwired” into democrats, but piss enough of us off and we will stand up. All that is required is a prescription of injustice, inequality, along with a pinch of indignation.

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  8. Best quote from Duane: Ms. Palin was as common as advertised.

    Sekan: It is truly hard to believe that the Globe pays Burlingame. Nobody reads his stuff because following a thread of reason is not in his dwindled arsenal.

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    • Thanks for confirming what I was seeing. I tried to follow any solid ‘thread of reason’ in his comments before. It’s exasperating.
      Anson commented, and only conveyed his disgust for the reasoning here that does make sense.
      Duane, and others here, do have the clarity of mind to present a factual and reasonable debate. I personally don’t mind debating someone with opposing ideas, but you can’t do that when it’s fact-free and based on emotion.

      I said I’d just scroll over his comments (again), so I suppose I should just let it be.
      ‘Nuff said.

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  9. The Start of Civility

    Duane, thanks for this excellent post. You have included significant material that my mundane political sources haven’t published. (Ask me for a scientific source – then I can do some good!) There is no surprise here about Palin’s character. The information about campaign insiders is something that should be widely known, and it could be if the general public had an attention span over 5 minutes.

    The ensuing comments gave me a sense of chilling fascination. Some reminded me of the years of lessons from my counselor – learning to handle a bad relationship and how to have good relationships. Some of what I learned of personal pathologies appears here. Those are in the form of avoidance of specifics, responses to fabrications (instead of the actual content), meandering topics, etc. These are all forms of defensive emotional ploys (The best defense is …), which are difficult to handle by treating them at face value. Responses to such stuff have been emotionally and intellectually honest in a difficult conversation.

    Thanks for your good writing, and for providing a forum for thoughtful, disciplined, mature minds. – Jim

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    • Jim,

      Thanks for the kind words and for mentioning how difficult it can be to stay with the line of argument when addressing comments that avoid specifics, create straw men, or wander away from the original topic.

      Look, I know we are all guilty of such things from time to time, it being a part of human nature to use deflection to avoid a vigorous and coherent defense when challenged. So, I don’t want to come down too hard on folks who easily succumb to that temptation.

      But I will admit it is hard sometimes to press on and keep insisting that commenters actually engage what you are saying, as opposed to what they imagine you are saying or what they wish you had said. What makes the forum so valuable to me is that most folks at least attempt to engage the issues and there are several people who do follow the argument and, agree or disagree, contribute to the “mature” debate.

      Duane

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    • I will an an “amen” to that as well, Jim Too.

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  10. ansonburlingame

     /  October 11, 2011

    To all,

    Here is a link you will like. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trying-to-restore-senate-comity/2011/10/10/gIQAjkb3aL_story.html?hpid=z2

    It is an op-ed in today’s (Tues) Wash Post written by Reid explaining the reasons for changing the Senate rules recently. You all will love it “today”. But if the GOP gets a majority in the Senate (but not a 60 vote majority) I wonder how you will feel “later”?

    It is one thing to manuever politically within the Congress. It is a new approach to explain such manuvering with only one side explaining, in a public Op -Ed. I would assume of course that the Post would allow the GOP Minority Leader to respond with his own Op-Ed in reply to the Dem Majority Leader.

    Given such public balance in Op-Eds, I assume the next step would be to pass legislation by majority opinion expressed in reader comments to both Op-Eds.

    Then the Occupy Wall Street crowd can weigh in with great weight, at least for those that can read and write.

    Now will some of you statisticians with untold links to “prove your points” show me any real facts in the Democratic Leader’s Op-Ed. I saw lots of “claims” but no provable facts. Sounded like all opinion to me. But then that is what Op-Eds and probably blogs as well are designed to create, opinions, like them or not.

    For example, it seems to be undisputed that we spend $2.5 Trillion or so on Health care in America today. The government spends about $1.2 Trillion of that total on Medicare, Medicade and VA. And most liberals call for a sinlge pay HC system that will only cost about $1.2 or so Trillion.

    Your rational is limited to Europe and Canada “does it” so why not us? Yep Europe and Canada have created a HC monopoly and price fixing by that monopoly run by governments. When did that last work very well in America?

    I also hear that a petion is making the rounds amonst the Wall Street crowd calling for a government limit on pay for Doctors to $28,000 per year. Well we can afford a single pay system, probably if you do that little trick. But that is only my opinion. I have no facts to back it up.

    anson

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